U.S. Supreme Court Mulls Overturning New York’s Concealed Carry Gun Law

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conservatives: States Rights!!!



Unless it’s the second amendment?

Breh I'm not even a conservative. This is one of those issues where liberal ideology overpowers common sense. Gun crimes are primarily an issue of poverty and interpersonal relationships. You're not going to ban your way out of gun crimes anymore than you can ban your way out of drug use. It's not the mf with a permit that you need to worry about.

 

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Concealed-carry holder fatally shoots would-be robber in Burnside

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Concealed-carry holder fatally shoots would-be robber in Burnside

Run up on grandpa at your risk

Boy, 11, shoots himself during online Zoom class while sister was in other room



MYTH: A concealed handgun permit holder has never shot the wrong person during an attack - GVPedia

The Facts:

Contrary to Lott’s claim, permit holders have unintentionally shot the wrong person. Because public mass shootings are rare events relative to other types of gun violence, it is extremely rare for a concealed permit holder to be present during a public mass shooting and choose to intervene. While there are incidents where a concealed carry holder has helped bring an end to an attack, there are also instances where the permit holder missed the target and shot a bystander. Please note that these lists are not comprehensive.

• On November 9, 2020, a concealed permit holder missed her intended targets and shot her 21-month-old baby. The dispute began when a Detroit woman ate her neighbor’s delivered meal after it had been sitting untouched on the porch for half an hour. When the permit holder came to her porch to retrieve the meal she ordered, an argument broke out involving several people. The permit holder pulled out a gun and started shooting at neighbors standing in front of her car. She missed her intended targets and accidentally shot her 21-month-old baby in the hip. Capt. Ian Severy of Detroit Police said, “I don’t know if I can adequately find the words for the feeling I get when anytime a child or an innocent person of any sort, is the victim of violence. It is disgusting, quite frankly.”
• On September 7, 2020, an argument broke out between two men during a Labor Day party in Detroit. After party goers tried to separate them, both men allegedly pulled out guns and began shooting. One of the men, a 24-year-old concealed handgun permit holder, was fatally wounded after firing several shots. A 29-year-old woman at the party was also shot in the crossfire. At the time of the publication of this post, authorities have not been able to determine which man shot the female bystander.
• On August 31, 2020, a 61-year-old man was bit in the leg by his neighbor’s dog. The victim’s friend, a concealed carry permit holder, fatally shot the dog and unintentionally shot his friend in his other leg.
• On June 16, 2020, two retired police officers working as security guards responded to a patient attacking a nurse at a hospital in Munster, Illinois. After the patient was in a chokehold, one of the security officers, Benny Freeman, a former sniper on a SWAT team, fired two shots, fatally killing both the patient and the other security guard.
• On May 7, 2019, two teenagers opened fire at STEM School Highland Ranch in Colorado, killing one and injuring seven. An eighth student was unintentionally shot by an armed security guard with a concealed carry permit. The campus security guard said he fired two rounds after seeing a muzzle come around the corner, but the gun belonged to a sheriff’s deputy. The school did not know the security guard was armed. John McDonald, head of security at Jeffco Public Schools, told the Denver Post that untrained armed individuals can make a bad situation worse and “There’s no way for anybody in uniform to know who a good guy or a bad guy is” when they see a person with a gun.
• On September 26, 2015, a man witnessed a carjacking at a Houston gas station. The witness fired at the carjackers, but unintentionally shot the victim of the carjacking. After picking up his shell casings, the shooter left the scene without waiting for the police to arrive.
• On May 17, 2012, two armed men attempted to rob a Houston Family Dollar store just before closing. Customer Kevin Simon, who police say had a concealed handgun license, drew his gun and fired at the robbers. The store’s assistant manager was fatally shot and the two armed men fled in a customer’s car.

GVPedia identified several instances of armed permit holders unintentionally shooting someone when an attack was not occurring:

• On December 12, 2020, a concealed carry permit holder dropped his gun at an Evansville Cracker Barrel restaurant. One round discharged when the handgun hit the ground, giving a female bystander minor injuries.
• On February 1, 2020, concealed handgun permit holder Antion Haywood was “very drunk” when he left Gene’s Supper Club in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Haywood fired his gun through his car’s sunroof. Although he wasn’t targeting anyone, a bullet hit a pregnant mother of five in a party bus. The woman died, but her child survived after an emergency C-section.
• On June 4, 2014, James “Tony” McKenzie unintentionally and fatally shot himself while driving his car in Meigs County, TN. He had a valid concealed handgun permit and his family said he always carried his gun with him.
• On December 15, 2013, 24-year-old permit holder Ryan Frederick was showing off his new handgun in Colombia, TN when he unintentionally fired a shot that traveled through the floor and killed 19-year-old James Tyler Wisdom.
• On February 12, 2012, concealed handgun permit holder Cornelius J. De Jong IV brought his handgun to a party in Redmond, Washington. When someone objected to a handgun at a party where people were intoxicated, De Jong removed the magazine and fired the gun at a wall to demonstrate it was unloaded. There was a live round in the chamber which hit and killed a 20-year-old woman in the next room. De Jong, 21, was previously convicted of a DUI, underage public intoxication, and two incidents of a minor in possession of alcohol.
• On February 12, 2012, concealed permit holder Moises Zambrana showed his Ruger 9mm to Dustin Bueller at a church in St. Petersburg, Florida. Zambrana removed the magazine but did not realize there was a round in the chamber. It fired, fatally shooting Bueller’s girlfriend.

Please get the fukk out of here with this bullshyt. These are idiots in the middle of nowhere causing havoc. NYC is a densely populated city where its even more likely idiots will kill innocent people.

 

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Boy, 11, shoots himself during online Zoom class while sister was in other room



MYTH: A concealed handgun permit holder has never shot the wrong person during an attack - GVPedia



Please get the fukk out of here with this bullshyt. These are idiots in the middle of nowhere causing havoc. NYC is a densely populated city where its even more likely idiots will kill innocent people.

Of course accidents/negligent discharges happen. This is like saying don't take the vaccine bc a very small percentage of ppl have adverse reactions and can even die.

What percentage of the increase in homicides over the last couple of years do you think can be attributed to people with concealed carry licenses.

 

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@GnauzBookOfRhymes falling for the good guy with a gun fantasy

 

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fukk off. I live in NYC and I don’t want to have to carry a gun and god knows I don’t want most my neighbors having guns either. This city is a stressful situation and the ability to “vent” frustration by arguing and walking away is going to be replaced with people shooting each other. We aren’t separated like most the country with cars and highways. You can’t just talk shyt and drive away to your Cul de Sac to act tough. People confront each other out here regularly. Plus you’re going to see idiots thinking that because they have a gun they won’t get got, when they absolutely will.

NY is a city that can have between 6-9 million people in it on any day had less than 100 murders year a few years ago because of the lengths that was taken to keep guns out of NYC. The lack of easy access to guns is one of the major differences between NYC and Chicago. All this will accomplish is making us as horrible as you sadist who live in bumblefukk nowhere think we are when we’ve been one of the safest places per population for years. A real conversation no one wants to have is was stop and frisk and plain clothes cops effective. All this does is empower a bunch of pussies like Bernhardt Goetz to shoot people because they are a little scared or having a bad day.

fukking old white people who have paid protection choosing to let Guns in NYC….. fukk man maybe the Supreme Court needs to be ignored. if this passes it’s a manner of when not if mass shootings start happening in NYC.

You're conflating multiple issues into one post. This law only changes the ability to conceal carry in the state of NY. Guess what, NY is more than the 5 boroughs. The rest of your state is country af and what applies in NYC may have no bearing on the rest of your state. Not only that, but this law has implications across the nation especially in places like Cali and my home state, MA.

Your post is off the rails. You don't think NY'ers have brains not to shoot each other? You don't think the dudes that are willing to use guns to solve "all" of their issues aren't already doing so? This law allows people that have followed the legal process(aka no criminal records, no mental health issues) to further protect themselves without worrying about a 10 year bid during a stop & frisk. Which by the way, If I read your post correctly, you are CO-SIGNING stop&frisk. Imagine that. NY isn't Florida. There's no stand your ground clauses. People that shoot people still have to face consequences if they did so without just cause. This shyt aint a free for all.

Breh I'm not even a conservative. This is one of those issues where liberal ideology overpowers common sense. Gun crimes are primarily an issue of poverty and interpersonal relationships. You're not going to ban your way out of gun crimes anymore than you can ban your way out of drug use. It's not the mf with a permit that you need to worry about.

This right here ^^

 

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False sense of security...

 

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Defund police

Restrict citizens access to guns

Makes perfect sense.

I guess they want gangs to police new York

 

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I pray in advance for y’all up there.


shyt gon hit the fan sooner then later

 

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@GnauzBookOfRhymes falling for the good guy with a gun fantasy

Breh I don't fall for shyt.

You just don't understand the history of the gun control debate. And no I'm not even talking about the issue of gun control being used as a way to prevent Black folks from arming themselves etc.

In short, the liberal/democratic obsession with gun control is in fact just a way for the party to whitewash the reality that homicides/gun crimes are overwhelmingly crimes of poverty. And it's a lot easier to talk about guns than it is to devote the resources necessary to actually address urban poverty.

What percentage of the increase in homicides over the last couple of years do you think can be attributed to people with concealed carry licenses?

 

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Breh I don't fall for shyt.

You just don't understand the history of the gun control debate. And no I'm not even talking about the issue of gun control being used as a way to prevent Black folks from arming themselves etc.

In short, the liberal/democratic obsession with gun control is in fact just a way for the party to whitewash the reality that homicides/gun crimes are overwhelmingly crimes of poverty. And it's a lot easier to talk about guns than it is to devote the resources necessary to actually address urban poverty.

What percentage of the increase in homicides over the last couple of years do you think can be attributed to people with concealed carry licenses?

Where does this come from?

Resources are actually used to address urban poverty here.

Do you think the whole world is blind and you're the only one who really gets stuff? Do you think the evil liberals/dems/progressives the people that post on this forum and live here are just like "oh it's just guns".


Ask your Republican friends to stop preventing research. There are two studies in the op saying it reduces safety and the op is the gothamist there are plenty of other places for a deep dive.

In 2017, the American Journal of Public Health published an expansive study of 25 years of murder rates across all 50 states. It found handgun homicide rates were 10.6% higher in states with laxer rules around carrying concealed weapons. Another study published three years ago in the Journal of Empirical Legal Studies found states that adopted the right to carry provisions saw an 13 to 15% percent increase in violent crime over the following decade. Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence has tracked similar trends.

Oh and the people who can legally concealed carry now in the city(off duty cops etc) commit heinous crimes every month it seems like with them. An off duty cop just ambushed and murdered their ex and their ex's new partner last month.

These stories play out every month and I don't even read tri-state news like that. I don't need to see that multiplied by thousands in a densely packed city full of mentally ill people.

 

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You guys make NYC sound like it's Lebanon or Iraq or some shyt. It's one of the safest cities in the world.

 

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great sidebar for the people cheering for this

Had no idea that was Shea Davis story about that Incident



Officials Defend Officer In NYC Subway Shooting
TOM HAYSAugust 23, 1994


NEW YORK (AP) _ The gun battle lasted no more than 15 seconds - just time enough for off- duty Officer Peter DelDebbio to aim and shoot the armed man on a crowded subway platform.



It happened so quickly, authorities said, that DelDebbio had no idea the man he critcally wounded was an undercover officer.



On Tuesday, a day after the shooting in which DelDebbio and a civilian also were wounded, police were still trying to piece together the chain of events that had officers firing at one another while commuters dove for cover.



″You had two good cops doing what they’re paid to do: Taking action and not running away,″ Police Commissioner William Bratton said.



DelDebbio was hospitalized in good condition. Officer Desmond Robinson was listed in critical condition with four gunshot wounds, two in the back.



The trouble started with a report to the subway’s transit police that a man was seen with a sawed-off shotgun in the busy mid-Manhattan subway station.



DelDebbio, an off-duty New York City policeman who was taking the subway home - saw him too.



Based on interviews with about 30 witnesses, police gave this account:



As two uniformed transit police officers were arresting 16-year-old Damal Parham for possessing a .22-caliber pistol, the train carrying DelDebbio pulled into the station.



Shea Davis, 17, tried to hide a sawed-off shotgun he was carrying as he walked between the train and the tracks, but it discharged. A 19-year-old bystander, Patricia Coples, was struck in the leg.



DelDebbio, who saw Davis with the shotgun, drew his own revolver.



Almost exactly four years ago, DelDebbio had been mugged on a subway by three men with knives. When they learned he was a police officer, they hit him over the head with his gun, held him down and cut off the tip of his right index finger. After pulling his gun, DelDebbio came face to face with what he thought was another suspect armed with a 9mm pistol. It was Robinson, 31, who had been working undercover as part of a pickpocket patrol and was in plainclothes.



The off-duty officer fired five shots, apparently without identifying himself, and hit Robinson four times. In the confusion, one of the uniformed transit officers also opened fire, hitting DelDebbio in the arm.



The shooting brought back memories of a 1992 incident in which two white uniformed transit officers shot a black undercover officer they mistook for a mugger. Derwin Pannell, whose right arm was was paralyzed, is suing the city for $70 million.



DelDebbio is white and Robinson, like Pannell, is black.



The Grand Council of Guardians, which represents black officers, accused the white officers of assuming Pannell was a mugger because of his race.



The group raised similar concerns Tuesday, but police officials said that wasn’t so, noting that DelDebbio is Puerto Rican.



They said DelDebbio simply didn’t have time to take cover or identify himself as a police officer.



″This thing happened so damn fast,″ Bratton said. ″Boom, boom, boom and it’s going down."https://apnews.com/article/ede878a876877f5313018867f6302c49

 

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