TYT vs. Jimmy Dore

[newworldafro]

Your presuppositions are still trash.

What presuppositions?? The DHS just said no Russians hacked any election equipment anywhere......which is reversing what was said and implied in 2016 and 2017. This fakery was used by the mainstream corporate establishment media to spam the public and add to this fairy tale.

At least 2 threads on this

Georgia Ask Trump Check DHS, Alleging Hacking of Voting System [UPDATE: 2 More States Make Claim]

Election Hackers Altered Voter Rolls, Stole Private Data, Officials Say.

So the presuppositions??....well one piece of the fairy tale...a LARGE SLICE just got thrown out since DHS has just said it's blatantly false, which is Russians hacked our the 2016 American POTUS election.

It is not true. Period. Exclamation Point!

The rest of the fairy tale is already bullshiit, but guess we have to wait for Officialdom to tell us too...

 

[Black Panther]

What presuppositions??

You're going to answer your own question twice. Sit tight.

The DHS just said no Russians hacked any election equipment anywhere

That's not what was said.

I watched the video, by the way.

I don't agree with Dore's conclusion, or yours.

Please, ask me why.

which is reversing what was said and implied in 2016 and 2017.

It doesn't, actually.

This fakery was used by the mainstream corporate establishment media to spam the public and add to this fairy tale.

There's one.

a LARGE SLICE just got thrown out

No, it wasn't.

since DHS has just said it's blatantly false

No, they didn't.

which is Russians hacked our the 2016 American POTUS election.

That's still true.

It is not true.

It is, actually.

Period.

Nope.

Exclamation Point!

Why are you yelling?

The rest of the fairy tale is already bullshiit

Aaaand two.

 

[newworldafro]

You're going to answer your own question twice. Sit tight.



That's not what was said.

I watched the video, by the way.

I don't agree with Dore's conclusion, or yours.

Please, ask me why.



It doesn't, actually.



There's one.



No, it wasn't.



No, they didn't.



That's still true.



It is, actually.



Nope.



Why are you yelling?



Aaaand two.

A Liberal Progressive just showed proof of a DHS representative explaining to Congress there was no election machines that were tampered or hacked by any Russian on, before, or after the 2016 POTUS elections and you still :juelzing:

You love fairy tales. Let me get you a stuffed black panther and a pacifier.

 

[Black Panther]

A Liberal Progressive just showed proof

I've said before that Dore is trash, even if he agreed with the Russian Collusion angle.

I don't care that he labels himself a "liberal progressive". You're the one who's putting value on his label, not me.

He's trash because his arguments are trash. Being a reactionary isn't tied to any one political affiliation.

I'll say it again: His arguments agree with your presuppositions, so that's why you're supporting him here.

Period.


Exclamation point!

explaining to Congress there was no election machines that were tampered or hacked by any Russian on, before, or after the 2016 POTUS elections

That's not what he said. You're being disingenuous.

 

[newworldafro]

I've said before that Dore is trash, even if he agreed with the Russian Collusion angle.

I don't care that he labels himself a "liberal progressive". You're the one who's putting value on his label, not me.

He's trash because his arguments are trash. Being a reactionary isn't tied to any one political affiliation.

I'll say it again: His arguments agree with your presuppositions, so that's why you're supporting him here.

Period.


Exclamation point!



That's not what he said. You're being disingenuous.

Let's not play dumb, for the 1st 12 months after the election, people that didn't believe Russian Collusion Delusion were called alt-right racists, etc...so emphasizing his political/ideological persuasion makes the point that seeing this as Russian Collusion Delusion has nothing to do with parties or ideaologies, it's just a critical objective thinking and analysis.

Watch the video again and don't forget your blankie.

 

[Black Panther]

Let's not play dumb, for the 1st 12 months after the election, people that didn't believe Russian Collusion Delusion were called alr-right racists

You're being disingenuous.

As usual.

When did I ever call you an alt-right racist?

I speak for myself, not the entire portion of the internet you disagree with.

This is a trash argument, undergirded by a trash presupposition.

Watch the video again and don't forget your blankie.

If I have to watch your video twice to get the gist of what you're saying, it's probably not that good of a video.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

That's not what he said. You're being disingenuous.

What did the DHS official say then?

 

[Slim]

Didn't know we had such a prominent (well relative to HL size) following of Sam Seder/Majority Report. Haven't listened in a few months, but I loved that show.

 

[Black Panther]

What did the DHS official say then?

That no votes were changed, and scanning of websites/computer systems is common.

Neither of which are what those various news articles were reporting.

Pretty much everyone here (at least regulars in the Trump impeachment thread) agrees that there's no hard evidence that Russian hackers changed votes (even if some believe that it may be revealed in the future).

The video doesn't broach the idea of the Russians copying the voter roll databases and deleting entries, which still constitute serious security failures.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

That no votes were changed, and scanning of websites/computer systems is common.

Fuuck it listen to the whole thing , just increase the speed to 1.25 or 1.5.

DHS says no states' elections were hacked by Russians.

None.

Zero.

Zilch.

Nada.

Wow.

 

[Black Panther]

Wow.

"Wow" what?

 

[Black Panther]

Didn't know we had such a prominent (well relative to HL size) following of Sam Seder/Majority Report. Haven't listened in a few months, but I loved that show.

Sam Seder is the truth. Lol.

Coincidentally, he disagrees that Trump will be impeached, an opinion I don't share with him, but I still think he's accurate on most other things.
The YouTube playlist of him schooling Libertarians is a must-watch. :mjlolhairfade:

 

[AnonymityX1000]

"Wow" what?

Just seems like needless arguing to me if you both agree.

 

[Black Panther]

Just seems like needless arguing to me if you both agree.

We don't. The f*ck?

He's arguing that Russian intrusion didn't happen at all.

I'm arguing that it did, just not in the manner of changing votes (which is a strawman; nobody's actually saying they were).

 

[AnonymityX1000]

We don't. The f*ck?

He's arguing that Russian intrusion didn't happen at all.

I'm arguing that it did, just not in the manner of changing votes (which is a strawman; nobody's actually saying they were).

He's said, "no states' elections were hacked by Russians."
And you just said, "That no votes were changed."

I think he is accepting the scanning part just like Jimmy is.
Seems like you agree.