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Gotta rename this to the Peacock thread.

Notes from a June 1997 Raw I’m watching:

- Fans were red hot for the Ahmed Johnson and LOD. This is the Raw where that version of NOD would break up.
- British Bulldog vs Goldust for the European title. Apparently this is a bit after Goldust stops being androgynous and is basically just a big dude wearing face paint fighting to differentiate himself from Dusty. Terri slapping the shyt out of Bulldog :russ: Shamrock makes the save for Terri but I don’t really know the significance of it.
- This is also the night after Hunter wins KOTR. He’s not there yet as far as promos, and Chyna damn sure isn’t :mjlol: Chyna tells Mankind on the Titantron “come down here and kiss my ass”, and Mankind says “ok, I’m a good kisser” :laff:
- Faarooq firing everybody in the Nation other than D’Lo lmaooo, D’Lo reaction is priceless, then Faarooq says “D’Lo, hold the ropes open for Clarence” and Clarence is losing his shyt.
- This episode is also in the heat of the Lawler/ECW stuff. Almost feels like it’s non-canon from the rest of the show, but it’s still interesting and the crowd really responds to them, especially RVD. Nice quick match between him and Flash Funk. Scorpio is so underrated and he was far ahead of the other wrestlers at that time as far as moveset. He was pretty much out of place. He would’ve flourished in 2000, and the early 00s in general.
- Doug Furnas and Phillip Lafon wanting to be introduced as “the most exciting tag team” :hhh::mjlol: their match with the Headbangers was short but made them look pretty stupid. The finish was awful cause Mosh was too far away covering Furnas, so Lafon had to land awkwardly on a splash. It just looked bad.
Austin and Psycho Sid are over than a MF and the crowd signs reflected that. That’s another thing, I miss seeing shows plastered in all types of crowd signs, hate how the WWE basically micromanaged them out of wrestling.
- Pretty much forgot Raws back then we’re 2 hours and SO much as happened and I have 14 minutes left (they just showed the interview where Mankind attacked Jim Ross and Austin/Pillman is the main event)
 
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The promo Undertaker is cutting on the May 5th 1997 episode of Raw :huhldup: Taker had adjusted to Attitude attire wise by this point, but the promos were still stiff and cartoony :mjlol:

The HBK promo was :hhh::mjlol: as well, only made more awkward with Vince clearly gushing over him the entire time while he was in the ring. HBK going all tongue in cheek with referencing the Kliq was nauseating, but it only reminds me of why the Young Bucks are the Young Bucks today. I’m 34 and right in the middle of the Young Bucks ages, so we were all watching and growing up with the same stuff :pachaha:
 

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The promo Undertaker is cutting on the May 5th 1997 episode of Raw :huhldup: Taker had adjusted to Attitude attire wise by this point, but the promos were still stiff and cartoony :mjlol:

The HBK promo was :hhh::mjlol: as well, only made more awkward with Vince clearly gushing over him the entire time while he was in the ring. HBK going all tongue in cheek with referencing the Kliq was nauseating, but it only reminds me of why the Young Bucks are the Young Bucks today. I’m 34 and right in the middle of the Young Bucks ages, so we were all watching and growing up with the same stuff :pachaha:
:mjlol: fakkitry personified pal
 

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I don’t know what was the point of the Road Warriors booking in their 2nd stint. Why hand them humiliating L after humiliating L for what seemed like forever?

They had the titles for a second then they lost them to the NAO. Then they went on a losing streak to seemingly every tag team in the WWE.

They got embarrassingly destroyed by the NAO and DX to close Raw which I get cause it was meant to put over the NAO and be a new guard taking over thing. But the losing streak continued and they broke up and fought and got back together.

The whole time they were still getting crazy crowd pops and chants of “LOD!” They crowd would get audibly annoyed when they’d get the shyt beat out of them by the Godwins or whoever.

Then they come back as the LOD 2000 with cheesy looking NHL shoulder pads and helmet combos and Sunny, who was getting :flabbynsick: and said and did absolutely nothing.

Then they meander around for a while and add Puke…Hawk, Animal, and…Puke. And they take an L to bum ass DOA and have Paul Ellering turn on them. Then Hawk climbs the titantron about the jump until Droz or Puke or whoever climbs up and ends up pushing him down.

They were booked weak as fukk and embarrassing. It seemed like they never lost in all their Crocket years though.

One of those episodes I backtracked had them losing to Doug Furnas and Philip Lafon:hhh:it was due to some pretty weak Hart Foundation interference, but it still made them look pretty goofy. They were still getting very good reactions but it’s like the WWF was dead set on killing them off.
 

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May 5th 1997 Raw. D’Lo in what I’m guessing is in one of his first WWF matches (as a non-jobber) vs a long haired Bob Holly who rolled up Owen Hart in a “stunning upset”. Faarooq is on commentary and is talking cash shyt to Vince :laff:Jim Ross doesn’t say a single word the entire time but Faarooq brings up slavery, black men building this country, and pretty much asks Vince “how would you feel if I became the first black WWF champion?”. There’s no way in hell this entire dialogue between Faarooq and Vince would even sniff current WWE television. That dialogue couldn’t be written by any current cornball WWE writers.

Also, every one of these Raws I’ve gone back to, the crowd doesn’t give one single fukk about Rockabilly :mjlol: you can hear a pin drop when his awful music comes on, and the only time they reaction is when he’s yelling at them during his matches. And that stupid little dance he does :russ:
 

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Scott Steiner threw Kimberly (or a dummy/stunt double of Kimberly) out of a moving car in front of DDP. :dead:

WCW stayed with car-involved fukkery.

Flair getting surrounded by jeeps and jumped by the NWO wearing masks outdoors with a helicopter circling above. :dead:

Bret Hart jobbing the US belt to fukking Roddy Piper :hhh:

Bam Bam Bigelow getting a title shot angle against Goldberg was so random and out of place.

The fukk were they thinking having Flair and Hoegan headlining a PPV in 1999 with all the talent on their roster? The other channel got Rock and Austin and you combat that with Flair and Hoegan?
 

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The Superbrawl 1999 Hogan vs Flair PPV is the 3rd or 4th biggest PPV in WCW history so :yeshrug: That is what the people wanted to see. I think the only PPVs that got more buys were Starrcade 1997 and Starrcade 1998.
 

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The Superbrawl 1999 Hogan vs Flair PPV is the 3rd or 4th biggest PPV in WCW history so :yeshrug: That is what the people wanted to see. I think the only PPVs that got more buys were Starrcade 1997 and Starrcade 1998.
So? A WWF PPV title match between Hoegan and Savage in 93 would’ve done numbers too. Vince knew that’s not how you run a business though. Hoegan and Flair had no business headlining a PPV for the world title when the competition is on fire and kicking your ass now with new stars.
 

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It’s funny seeing people’s eventual hot finishers getting zero reaction early on. A treading water Rocky Maivia did what would eventually be the Rock Bottom to no type of pop, and Flash Funk casually kicks out like it was a vertical suplex :laff:same thing with Rockabilly doing his “Rocker Dropper like maneuver” :mjlol:
 

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So? A WWF PPV title match between Hoegan and Savage in 93 would’ve done numbers too. Vince knew that’s not how you run a business though. Hoegan and Flair had no business headlining a PPV for the world title when the competition is on fire and kicking your ass now with new stars.

If Hogan wanted to stick around in 1993 and have a real run, Vince absolutely would have had him continue like it was 1987 and almost assuredly would have kept Savage in the ring, too. The New Generation shyt only happened because he had to get rid of Warrior and he didn't know if Hogan was going to come back or not. As soon as Hogan DID come back, he immediately put the belt back on him and Bret was wrestling Doink by Summerslam. He brought Backlund back. He brought Warrior back and was pushing him way harder than HBK on TV despite knowing Warrior was bullshyt and was going to flake out. You can be sure that if he had Hogan/Flair/Savage in 1998-1999, they'd have been all up in the main events, too. And in fact did put Flair and Hogan back into main events in 2002 on.
 

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If Hogan wanted to stick around in 1993 and have a real run, Vince absolutely would have had him continue like it was 1987 and almost assuredly would have kept Savage in the ring, too. The New Generation shyt only happened because he had to get rid of Warrior and he didn't know if Hogan was going to come back or not. As soon as Hogan DID come back, he immediately put the belt back on him and Bret was wrestling Doink by Summerslam. He brought Backlund back. He brought Warrior back and was pushing him way harder than HBK on TV despite knowing Warrior was bullshyt and was going to flake out. You can be sure that if he had Hogan/Flair/Savage in 1998-1999, they'd have been all up in the main events, too. And in fact did put Flair and Hogan back into main events in 2002 on.
Vince would not have had Hoegan and Flair headlining PPVs for the world title against each other with Austin, Rock, Foley, etc. on the roster in 98-99, come on man lol. Vince thought both were washed like 6 or 7 years prior and let them both go. Their later runs were nostalgia runs. Vince knew when to move on from shyt and Bischoff and WCW didn’t.
 

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Vince would not have had Hoegan and Flair headlining PPVs for the world title against each other with Austin, Rock, Foley, etc. on the roster in 98-99, come on man lol. Vince thought both were washed like 6 or 7 years prior and let them both go. Their later runs were nostalgia runs. Vince knew when to move on from shyt and Bischoff and WCW didn’t.

100% there would have been Austin/Rock/Foley/Taker vs Hogan/Flair PPV title matches in the Attitude Era if they were in the company and it's ridiculous to think otherwise. Hogan, Flair, and Savage all three almost went back to Vince in 1998-2000. You think Vince would have had them in mid card feuds? Lmao. One thing Vince has ALWAYS loved since day one of taking over from his dad was bringing back former top guys to try to pop ticket sales or buy rates. He's still doing it multiple times a year in 2021. You think the guy who put the belt on Goldberg in 2016 and 2020 wouldn't have had Austin vs Hogan and Austin vs Flair headlining PPVs in 1998 and 1999? Lmao.
 
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