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backlund vs race was fantastic. i counted maybe 4 high spots and MSG exploded for each one. Classic story based wrasslin.
bret vs austin from South Africa was dope as well. Owen on commentary was hilarious.
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backlund vs race was fantastic. i counted maybe 4 high spots and MSG exploded for each one. Classic story based wrasslin.
bret vs austin from South Africa was dope as well. Owen on commentary was hilarious.
Damn, 98 Chris Jericho WAS SO fukkIN GOOD. I forgot how ridiculously great he was then....he was so organically funny. 18 damn years later and he's still got it.
More #INVASION thoughts:
Lmao at Raw being in Atlanta, and WCW turning heel in the first segment. I mean, WCW was already really the heel group if you were paying attention, but Shane was the face leader, and Booker was the face champ. Then Shane turns on Taker in the opening segment, in a match that was supposed to be Shane vs DDP based on their fight on SD, but turns out it was a set up all along. And the implication is that Shane was behind the stalker stuff this whole time, which, obviously he was. In fact, it was basically said outright the night DDP revealed himself, but then was dropped completely.
Then Austin mind fukks Angle into challenging Booker for a title match, but when they show Booker and Kurt interacting, Booker is booed and Angle is cheered, even though Booker has been portrayed as a face, and Kurt has been a heel his entire WWF run. Then, right before the match, newly turned Shane is hyping up Booker, which means Booker is now a heel, and he gets treated as such for the entire match. IN ATLANTA. WCW's home base. At no point were WCW treated as faces, and at no point where they received as faces. In their home base. Then Kane fills in for Taker (after DDP hit the Kanyon Cutter on Sara) in a handicap match against Lance Storm and Mike Awesome, which turns into a tag match when Jericho joins in. Then RVD/Tommy Dreamer hit the ring, and a bunch of mid carders soon follow. But it turns out they were all ECW guys, so they all beat up Kane and Jericho as Paul Heyman gets in the ring and declares that ECW has joined the invasion.
Then Vince and Shane meet backstage and decide they need to join together to get rid of ECW, so a WWF/WCW vs ECW 10 man tag is set for the main event. WWF and WCW brawl before ECW even comes out. Then ECW runs the WWF out of the ring. Then WCW gets in the ring and....joins with ECW. Vince is like WTF. Shane announces the merger of ECW and WCW. Then Stephanie comes out to reveal herself as the ECW owner.
So the angle that literally started as Shane vs Vince, then moved on to Linda pulling strings for Shane to get WCW on TV via the divorce angle between Vince/Linda, has now become Shane/Steph vs Vince. From DAY ONE, the Invasion was about the McMahons. It's fascinating to see how terriblly written the whole thing is, even if you remove the McMahon aspect. WCW being portrayed as both scrappy underdog faces and invading heels, WWF/Vince portrayed as both the evil empire and valiant warriors. shyt is just a MESS. The lack of the true top WCW stars is the least of the problems in this shyt.
Lmao at Raw being in Atlanta, and WCW turning heel in the first segment. I mean, WCW was already really the heel group if you were paying attention, but Shane was the face leader, and Booker was the face champ. Then Shane turns on Taker in the opening segment, in a match that was supposed to be Shane vs DDP based on their fight on SD, but turns out it was a set up all along. And the implication is that Shane was behind the stalker stuff this whole time, which, obviously he was. In fact, it was basically said outright the night DDP revealed himself, but then was dropped completely.
Then Austin mind fukks Angle into challenging Booker for a title match, but when they show Booker and Kurt interacting, Booker is booed and Angle is cheered, even though Booker has been portrayed as a face, and Kurt has been a heel his entire WWF run. Then, right before the match, newly turned Shane is hyping up Booker, which means Booker is now a heel, and he gets treated as such for the entire match. IN ATLANTA. WCW's home base. At no point were WCW treated as faces, and at no point where they received as faces. In their home base. Then Kane fills in for Taker (after DDP hit the Kanyon Cutter on Sara) in a handicap match against Lance Storm and Mike Awesome, which turns into a tag match when Jericho joins in. Then RVD/Tommy Dreamer hit the ring, and a bunch of mid carders soon follow. But it turns out they were all ECW guys, so they all beat up Kane and Jericho as Paul Heyman gets in the ring and declares that ECW has joined the invasion.
Then Vince and Shane meet backstage and decide they need to join together to get rid of ECW, so a WWF/WCW vs ECW 10 man tag is set for the main event. WWF and WCW brawl before ECW even comes out. Then ECW runs the WWF out of the ring. Then WCW gets in the ring and....joins with ECW. Vince is like WTF. Shane announces the merger of ECW and WCW. Then Stephanie comes out to reveal herself as the ECW owner.
So the angle that literally started as Shane vs Vince, then moved on to Linda pulling strings for Shane to get WCW on TV via the divorce angle between Vince/Linda, has now become Shane/Steph vs Vince. From DAY ONE, the Invasion was about the McMahons. It's fascinating to see how terriblly written the whole thing is, even if you remove the McMahon aspect. WCW being portrayed as both scrappy underdog faces and invading heels, WWF/Vince portrayed as both the evil empire and valiant warriors. shyt is just a MESS. The lack of the true top WCW stars is the least of the problems in this shyt.
Its so fukking terrible. The poor alignment of wrestlers (austin in the invasion?) made it worseMore #INVASION thoughts:
Lmao at Raw being in Atlanta, and WCW turning heel in the first segment. I mean, WCW was already really the heel group if you were paying attention, but Shane was the face leader, and Booker was the face champ. Then Shane turns on Taker in the opening segment, in a match that was supposed to be Shane vs DDP based on their fight on SD, but turns out it was a set up all along. And the implication is that Shane was behind the stalker stuff this whole time, which, obviously he was. In fact, it was basically said outright the night DDP revealed himself, but then was dropped completely.
Then Austin mind fukks Angle into challenging Booker for a title match, but when they show Booker and Kurt interacting, Booker is booed and Angle is cheered, even though Booker has been portrayed as a face, and Kurt has been a heel his entire WWF run. Then, right before the match, newly turned Shane is hyping up Booker, which means Booker is now a heel, and he gets treated as such for the entire match. IN ATLANTA. WCW's home base. At no point were WCW treated as faces, and at no point where they received as faces. In their home base. Then Kane fills in for Taker (after DDP hit the Kanyon Cutter on Sara) in a handicap match against Lance Storm and Mike Awesome, which turns into a tag match when Jericho joins in. Then RVD/Tommy Dreamer hit the ring, and a bunch of mid carders soon follow. But it turns out they were all ECW guys, so they all beat up Kane and Jericho as Paul Heyman gets in the ring and declares that ECW has joined the invasion.
Then Vince and Shane meet backstage and decide they need to join together to get rid of ECW, so a WWF/WCW vs ECW 10 man tag is set for the main event. WWF and WCW brawl before ECW even comes out. Then ECW runs the WWF out of the ring. Then WCW gets in the ring and....joins with ECW. Vince is like WTF. Shane announces the merger of ECW and WCW. Then Stephanie comes out to reveal herself as the ECW owner.
So the angle that literally started as Shane vs Vince, then moved on to Linda pulling strings for Shane to get WCW on TV via the divorce angle between Vince/Linda, has now become Shane/Steph vs Vince. From DAY ONE, the Invasion was about the McMahons. It's fascinating to see how terriblly written the whole thing is, even if you remove the McMahon aspect. WCW being portrayed as both scrappy underdog faces and invading heels, WWF/Vince portrayed as both the evil empire and valiant warriors. shyt is just a MESS. The lack of the true top WCW stars is the least of the problems in this shyt.
Jeff Jarrett in his coming soon vignettes(Raw 93') referring to Billy Ray Cyrus and Razor Ramon as Italians
WoatJeff Jarrett in his coming soon vignettes(Raw 93') referring to Billy Ray Cyrus and Razor Ramon as Italians
I'm watching late 1999 RAWs
One thing that struck me was continuity.
During Triple H's feud with Vince, Vince was powerless to do anything due to a stipulation he put in place back when he was still feuding with Austin MONTHS AGO.
Shane fought Taker at WM for control of RAW and lost, but that was thrown in the bushes the next night
One thing that struck me was continuity.
During Triple H's feud with Vince, Vince was powerless to do anything due to a stipulation he put in place back when he was still feuding with Austin MONTHS AGO.
Shane fought Taker at WM for control of RAW and lost, but that was thrown in the bushes the next night
That roster was so fukkin stacked, Taker, Big Show, Rock and Mankind were feuding for the fukkin tag titles.
TAG TITLES
Then the Rock and Mankind lost CLEAN to the Outlaws
TAG TITLES
Then the Rock and Mankind lost CLEAN to the Outlaws
Lol that invasion WCW crew was so ass. Chuck palumbo, Sean o haire, Shawn staziak
Sean O'Haire was a talented dude. Just never used well
Palumbo was the dude that got fukked the most in the buy out. He would have been the anchor of WCW for years to come had it stayed open. Dude's rate of improvement was so fast, he was huge, had a great look. 
More #INVASION thoughts:
Lmao at Raw being in Atlanta, and WCW turning heel in the first segment. I mean, WCW was already really the heel group if you were paying attention, but Shane was the face leader, and Booker was the face champ. Then Shane turns on Taker in the opening segment, in a match that was supposed to be Shane vs DDP based on their fight on SD, but turns out it was a set up all along. And the implication is that Shane was behind the stalker stuff this whole time, which, obviously he was. In fact, it was basically said outright the night DDP revealed himself, but then was dropped completely.
Then Austin mind fukks Angle into challenging Booker for a title match, but when they show Booker and Kurt interacting, Booker is booed and Angle is cheered, even though Booker has been portrayed as a face, and Kurt has been a heel his entire WWF run. Then, right before the match, newly turned Shane is hyping up Booker, which means Booker is now a heel, and he gets treated as such for the entire match. IN ATLANTA. WCW's home base. At no point were WCW treated as faces, and at no point where they received as faces. In their home base. Then Kane fills in for Taker (after DDP hit the Kanyon Cutter on Sara) in a handicap match against Lance Storm and Mike Awesome, which turns into a tag match when Jericho joins in. Then RVD/Tommy Dreamer hit the ring, and a bunch of mid carders soon follow. But it turns out they were all ECW guys, so they all beat up Kane and Jericho as Paul Heyman gets in the ring and declares that ECW has joined the invasion.
Then Vince and Shane meet backstage and decide they need to join together to get rid of ECW, so a WWF/WCW vs ECW 10 man tag is set for the main event. WWF and WCW brawl before ECW even comes out. Then ECW runs the WWF out of the ring. Then WCW gets in the ring and....joins with ECW. Vince is like WTF. Shane announces the merger of ECW and WCW. Then Stephanie comes out to reveal herself as the ECW owner.
So the angle that literally started as Shane vs Vince, then moved on to Linda pulling strings for Shane to get WCW on TV via the divorce angle between Vince/Linda, has now become Shane/Steph vs Vince. From DAY ONE, the Invasion was about the McMahons. It's fascinating to see how terriblly written the whole thing is, even if you remove the McMahon aspect. WCW being portrayed as both scrappy underdog faces and invading heels, WWF/Vince portrayed as both the evil empire and valiant warriors. shyt is just a MESS. The lack of the true top WCW stars is the least of the problems in this shyt.
They actually did a really good job with the Invasion angle considering what they had. The Vince/Shane/Steph story line was the only way to go that would make sense. Also Austin leading ECW and WCW made sense because he was in both places before he got to WWF and they needed a leader and he was heel at the time.
Nah, literally from day one, the Invasion was about McMahon family drama. And it stayed that way until the end. Yes, the WCW roster was weak and missing most of the top stars, but it was still WCW vs WWF at its core, but the ENTIRE thing was centered around Vince vs his kids, with his wife intervening from time to time. The same angle could have happened without ECW and WCW. Shane and Steph picking up random talent and going after Vince. It would have been exactly the same.
And what's worse is that in 2002-2003, all of those big name talents that meant shyt ended up in WWE anyway. 2002 was the real Invasion, imo. fukking Ric Flair debuted literally the night after the angle ended. 2 months later, the nWo shows up. ERIC BISCHOFF is in the company before Summerslam. A year after the angle ends, Scott Steiner shows up. 4 months after that, Goldberg shows up. All that stuff retroactively makes the Invasion itself even worse.
But I came here to talk about Owen. I love Owen and all, but I'm now ashamed that I went through that smark period where I believed Owen was better than Bret
. Bret was so much better, and the Network really drives that point home. Bret is in a top tier that not many dudes ever get to. Owen at his best never came close to that. Owen could do Japanese junior style better, but that's it. Bret had him beat at everything else, including promos. Bret is to this day a super underrated promo guy. He got hit with a bad wrap mostly because he was cutting normal guy promos after the previous top guys were Warrior/Hogan/Savage and coked up to the gills spouting nonsense. Everything Bret did came off as a real athlete competing. And as a heel, his 1997 promos were amazing, and his heel WCW promos were fukking hilarious. I don't think it is crazy to say that Bret is in the top 10 of all time. Can anyone really argue that Owen is a top 10 guy ever?
And what's worse is that in 2002-2003, all of those big name talents that meant shyt ended up in WWE anyway. 2002 was the real Invasion, imo. fukking Ric Flair debuted literally the night after the angle ended. 2 months later, the nWo shows up. ERIC BISCHOFF is in the company before Summerslam. A year after the angle ends, Scott Steiner shows up. 4 months after that, Goldberg shows up. All that stuff retroactively makes the Invasion itself even worse.
But I came here to talk about Owen. I love Owen and all, but I'm now ashamed that I went through that smark period where I believed Owen was better than Bret
. Bret was so much better, and the Network really drives that point home. Bret is in a top tier that not many dudes ever get to. Owen at his best never came close to that. Owen could do Japanese junior style better, but that's it. Bret had him beat at everything else, including promos. Bret is to this day a super underrated promo guy. He got hit with a bad wrap mostly because he was cutting normal guy promos after the previous top guys were Warrior/Hogan/Savage and coked up to the gills spouting nonsense. Everything Bret did came off as a real athlete competing. And as a heel, his 1997 promos were amazing, and his heel WCW promos were fukking hilarious. I don't think it is crazy to say that Bret is in the top 10 of all time. Can anyone really argue that Owen is a top 10 guy ever?