TSC, Do you think Brock Lesnar had a chance to threaten Kurt Angle's Throne?

[InstantKlassik]

As far as the best wrestler of the last decade to emerge post Rock/Austin era??

If he didn't leave for 8 years after only 2 years in the business, i think he would've had a chance. He had already covered A LOT of ground in those 24 months, facing all of the big names (except Austin, but we all know that was in the plans) and being pushed as the biggest star in WWE, and having GREAT matches.

Speak on It

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

maybe

 

[Golayitdown]

Nah....Mic skills were his Achilles heel.. I do think he would have gotten way better but wouldn't have had the chance to work with Austin and Rock for years like Kurt...


In ring I could see them being real close and actually give Brock credit for being a dope bigger guy..


I do think he would have been Cena or at the very least been the other half of Cena like Austin/Rock

 

[Singh]

Nope

As smark's we can tell who really fukking loves this business and who is just doing it because they have settled for it at that time and point.

Kurt put aside his previous accomplishments to become one with professional wrestling. You can tell he worked his ass off to become a high level wrestler, storyteller, and character. Motherfukker sacrificed his marriage and physical well being to achieve greatness in sports entertainment. He got into problems with the law and still showed up to perform at a elite level regardless of the bullshyt he was going through outside of the ring.

We (assuming more than just me lol) shytted on him for the DUI's and poppin' pills shyt BUT motherfukker always came through for a story-line & match delivering.

I doubt Brock could pull through some shyt like that.

I fukks with Brock because he is a biological bad ass by nature, but he has shown time and time again that pro wrestling is just way for him to get paper. If motherfukker loved the biz like Kurt did and put all his focus into it, then maybe he could rival the complete package that Kurtis is.

 

[Real]

Hell naw.

 

[iMajor]

Kurt to me woulda easily been top 10 if he never left. And he's like my 2nd fav wrestler just right behind the rock

 

[InstantKlassik]

Nope

As smark's we can tell who really fukking loves this business and who is just doing it because they have settled for it at that time and point.

Kurt put aside his previous accomplishments to become one with professional wrestling. You can tell he worked his ass off to become a high level wrestler, storyteller, and character. Motherfukker sacrificed his marriage and physical well being to achieve greatness in sports entertainment. He got into problems with the law and still showed up to perform at a elite level regardless of the bullshyt he was going through outside of the ring.

We (assuming more than just me lol) shytted on him for the DUI's and poppin' pills shyt BUT motherfukker always came through for a story-line & match delivering.

I doubt Brock could pull through some shyt like that.

I fukks with Brock because he is a biological bad ass by nature, but he has shown time and time again that pro wrestling is just way for him to get paper. If motherfukker loved the biz like Kurt did and put all his focus into it, then maybe he could rival the complete package that Kurtis is.

I agree with everything you say about Kurt, but how do we know that Brock wouldn't sacrifice everything as well?
and who are we to judge someone else's heart? and i also doubt that Brock is "settling" for WWE at this point, because he could easily be doing something else, and he doesn't NEED a paycheck from Vince AT ALL at this point.

 

[Singh]

I agree with everything you say about Kurt, but how do we know that Brock wouldn't sacrifice everything as well?
and who are we to judge someone else's heart? and i also doubt that Brock is "settling" for WWE at this point, because he could easily be doing something else, and he doesn't NEED a paycheck from Vince AT ALL at this point.

I agree breh we are just marks, we live a life outside of the true day 2 day reality of pro wrestling. No one can make a judgement on somebody's heart unless you know them on a legit level. But we still make judgments about dudes cause we're so passionate about this shyt.

This is just my take:

I fukking hate Hunter Holmes

But dude buried the fukk out of Brock and sadly I agree with HBGoat's lil homie half-way. Heart is determination and dedication. Brock bounced from the E to get into the NFL because he's a bad motherfukker. He had the potential to make it in the league but when he showed signs of weakness in areas he decided to dip instead of work hard to get better and make himself a better football player.

Boom he shows up in MMA. He starts tearing dudes up and boom he gets caught by Frank Mir. However, he got better on his submission defense and showed mad dedication. He went on a tear and ran though nikkas and got the belt. Then out the cuts Cain came up and whopped his ass. He looked defeated and destroyed. Then he got sick with one of worst injuries you can have.

That is where my support for the Hunter Holmes promo ends.

Because Brock did in fact show heart by healing himself and fighting Reem. That was some shyt most dudes would hang up their boots with. But he still showed up to fight the dude in a losing effort.

Fast forward he is in the E now. Dude has a bomb ass contract and does shyt on his terms. Motherfukkers will take care of Brock and not hurt him psychically. They cratering the fukk out of him in terms of his contractual obligations.

From the day he showed up he could have brought more to the table. His matches were koo (the match with Cena was well executed) but his promo game showed no improvement at all. How hard is it to work on that shyt when nikkas is doing shyt on your terms? Can he get a rehearsal in? Maybe practice his shyt more? In his last E run, he was on the road year-round. Now he isn't and I have not seen any improvement in his ring and mic work at all.

That's why I point back at his heart and determination.

Even with the limited shyt he does, if motherfukker tried harder it would be far more awesome and enjoyable to watch as a whole.

gun 2 da head, Brock doesn't fukk with professional wrestling like Kurt does.

Just my perspective breh.

 

[SYDNEY AMBROSE]

Nope

 

[puppetmaster]

If Brock had even just slightly above average mic skills and had stayed in "sports entertainment" its hard to say he wouldn't have. The fact he would have always needed a mouth piece hinders him. He's just a country boy of few words who wasnt about the road life at the end of the day



I know it's a lot of coulda woulda shoulda which I hate but point me in the direction of someone with more on paper GOAT potential minus that one (major) intangible than Brock and I'll point back at a liar





-P-

 

[CM_Burns]

gun 2 da head, Brock doesn't fukk with professional wrestling like Kurt does.

Just my perspective breh.

You're right, but gun to head The Rock, Undertaker, and Stone Cold probably wouldn't fukk with wrestling like that either. Rock and Austin both would've continued to play football if they could've and all 3 have said they would've gotten into MMA if it was big at the time. Somebody like HBK or CM Punk dreamed of being a wrestler their whole life but that doesn't make them better or more significant than Rock or Austin.

I think Brock could've been just as good or better than Angle if he stayed. I'd much rather watch his first couple years than Angle's first couple. Angle's one of my all time favorites to watch in the ring, but physically the things Brock used to do were more impressive, he had a lot more potential as a draw (that he fulfilled in MMA).

Mic skills? They're not necessary for everybody. Most people are going to be interested in watching Brock Lesnar wrestle without having him talk. He's already more of an interesting character than most guys who are decent at promos from his presence/aura/look. The "mic skills + in-ring workrate divided by two= wrestler quality" shyt the internet runs with is not reflective of what most of the fans or I react to.

 

[Da King]

if he sticks around yes, Angle in TNA hurt his legacy

 

[Golayitdown]

You're right, but gun to head The Rock, Undertaker, and Stone Cold probably wouldn't fukk with wrestling like that either. Rock and Austin both would've continued to play football if they could've and all 3 have said they would've gotten into MMA if it was big at the time. Somebody like HBK or CM Punk dreamed of being a wrestler their whole life but that doesn't make them better or more significant than Rock or Austin.

I think Brock could've been just as good or better than Angle if he stayed. I'd much rather watch his first couple years than Angle's first couple. Angle's one of my all time favorites to watch in the ring, but physically the things Brock used to do were more impressive, he had a lot more potential as a draw (that he fulfilled in MMA).

Mic skills? They're not necessary for everybody. Most people are going to be interested in watching Brock Lesnar wrestle without having him talk. He's already more of an interesting character than most guys who are decent at promos from his presence/aura/look. The "mic skills + in-ring workrate divided by two= wrestler quality" shyt the internet runs with is not reflective of what most of the fans or I react to.

In general, I agree with your last paragraph, but in this context of King Kurt's throne as of on

 

[Golayitdown]

You're right, but gun to head The Rock, Undertaker, and Stone Cold probably wouldn't fukk with wrestling like that either. Rock and Austin both would've continued to play football if they could've and all 3 have said they would've gotten into MMA if it was big at the time. Somebody like HBK or CM Punk dreamed of being a wrestler their whole life but that doesn't make them better or more significant than Rock or Austin.

I think Brock could've been just as good or better than Angle if he stayed. I'd much rather watch his first couple years than Angle's first couple. Angle's one of my all time favorites to watch in the ring, but physically the things Brock used to do were more impressive, he had a lot more potential as a draw (that he fulfilled in MMA).

Mic skills? They're not necessary for everybody. Most people are going to be interested in watching Brock Lesnar wrestle without having him talk. He's already more of an interesting character than most guys who are decent at promos from his presence/aura/look. The "mic skills + in-ring workrate divided by two= wrestler quality" shyt the internet runs with is not reflective of what most of the fans or I react to.

In general, I agree with your last paragraph, but in this context of King Kurt's throne as of one of the GOAT all around (in ring and out of ring) wrestlers ever we have to take all things into consideration. If we were comparing Lesnar's two years vs. Miz's two breakout years, you'd rarely hear mic skills get brought up.

Except for looks (which is usually bulshyt), mic skills/personality/charisma will always determine who gets a push. If they werent, we'd be asking who if Morrison or Shelton is the GOAT of their generation
IMO, Its all about entertainment. Its why we go when lesnar is in the ring and when hes out. its also why heyman was at his side when he came back. if hes not being physical out of the ring, he has no use in building up a match. if he had 5 more years in and Angle's out of the ring skills, i wouldnt hesitate in saying you can flip a coin to decide who is better.

 

[ML29]

I'd say no, not a chance. Maybe from an in-ring standpoint but as far as being a personality he never had a chance at rivaling Kurt. Brock doesn't need to do a bunch a talking to get over but when comparing him to Kurt you have to factor that in. Kurt's versatility is unmatched to this day to be honest.