"Trump won't actually end democracy" I dont think enough people realize trump wanted to be fascist in his first term

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The idea that a second trump term wouldn't actually be that bad is pretty wild. I can understand why people think it, but they fail to realize that the only reason his first term wasnt full on fascist is because the people he ordered to make it so said NO

- Trump's generals
- Trump's admin
- Pence

they all sided with their conscience/America as a nation.


Jan 6 was Trump trying to fight against that, along with the election lie, and now with Project 2025 he wants yes men

Trump was gonna be fascist in his first term. Now he's got the roadblocks removed AND the supreme court saying presidents can do anything as "official acts"

if he wins its over
his second presidency will see a cabinet and federal government filled with servile fascists like stephen miller.

and the #bothsides uncle toms who follow tariq and stay on the couch - if not outright vote for trump - will be the first ones swinging from the lampposts when his new agenda kicks into gear.

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ask yourself how we got to this point.

in 2001 George Bush said “The face of terrorism not the true faith of Islam. That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace."

and that's a republican, conservative president.

in 2024 Trump openly calls for generals like Hitler had and tried to ban Muslims in his first term.

in 2004 John Kerry and George Bush were arguing for who would ban assault rifles first.

again, a republican conservative and liberal democrat.

in 2024 Kamala Harris and Tim Walz brag about having firearms that they do and will use


Large groups of Americans own firearms, there's nothing wrong it. Being a hunter while wanting automatic weapons bans is not some uniquely liberal or conservative idea - most Americans generally agree with that view.
 
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It is time to stop engaging seriously with people who want to downplay this or try to "both sides" it, because they cannot be reasoned with. They have ulterior motives. And they won't hesitate to lie in the service of them.

People should remember what he tried to do before the 2020 election and why it is still on the board.



Weeks before the 2020 election, President Trump unveiled an executive order that would have created a new class of political appointee, Schedule F. The order would have allowed a president to turn any career official with a policy advisory role into a political appointee, removing job protection and opening the door to vastly politicize the federal workforce.

President Biden rescinded the order, but Trump has made it a central feature of his re-election campaign as part of his effort to take control of “the deep state.” It’s not just Trump. Schedule F has also been more broadly accepted among Republicans, featuring in the Mandate for Leadership guide that the Heritage Foundation produces for prospective Republican presidents.




Donald Trump and his right-wing flunkies hate the civil service. Time and time again, Trump has maligned the so-called “Deep State,” a tin foil hat conspiracy theory predicated on the (inane) idea that activist career bureaucrats worked tirelessly to undermine the Trump administration and the conservative movement. These entirely baseless rumors led Trump and his sycophant Russel Vought to revive Schedule F, a fringe legal theory that argues the president has the authority to fire disloyal government workers. Schedule F has been embraced by the Trump right (being celebrated by both his transition Chairwoman’s organization as well as enshrined in Project 2025), and now the Heritage Foundation is setting the stage for it.

ProPublica reported Heritage Staffers are currently submitting Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests fishing for information that is bothersome to conservatives. Under the guise of good governance and transparency, the Heritage Foundation is seemingly laying the groundwork to terminate career employees. Why else would the beacon of modern conservatism spend time searching for communications of policy making staffers that include terms such as“climate equity” or even “voting?” In addition to cheapening the FOIA process, it is abundantly clear that the right, in the world where Trump is re-elected, wants to purge the federal government.

In October 2020, Trump issued the Schedule F executive order that removed the civil service protections of some career bureaucrats. The wide ranging order ostensibly primarily targeted policy making staff, but would affect as many as 50,000 federal workers (do you really think there are 50,000 distinct policymakers in the executive branch?). The order converted many of the civil service appointments to at-will employees allowing Trump to fire any of these staff at any time.

When the executive order was signed, there was almost immediate backlash from experts, government worker advocates, and the federal workforce to the decision. Partnership for Public Service President and CEO Max Stier said “Being able to place any number of existing career positions into this new Schedule F not only blurs the line between politics and the neutral competency of the career civil service, it obliterates it.” The original order not only targeted some arguably genuinely policy-related positions, but also office managers and even administrative staff. President Biden rescinded the order before any designations could occur.

In addition to the nakedly political nature of Schedule F, its enactment would have had catastrophic results in government efficiency. A study conducted by the University of Chicago’s Center for Effective Government studied the potential outcomes of Schedule F and found some of the following: more politically appointed bureaucrats would have a poorer performance overall and, in addition to that, more political appointments would ultimately lead to lower morale across the career staff. Schedule F proponents claim that this would streamline the federal government, but it appears it actually would have the opposite effect.

Heritage laying the foundation for a government purge of civil servants should surprise no one. It is outlined in both Trump’s official agenda and the Heritage-led Mandate for Leadership—better known as Project 2025. Heritage is utilizing the FOIA process purely to serve Donald Trump as well as attempting to vindicate right wing conspiracies about the so-called “Deep State.” The existence of a by-the-book, and fact-based, “Deep State” is something that clearly irked Trump, and eventually most Republicans, during his first four years in office. It is also one of the essential components of a nation state in the modern era dealing with everything from the rise of worldwide temperatures and China to the presence of potentially dangerous chemicals in food, water, and the air.
 

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Don’t care about none of that just need a competent leader and we don’t have that at the moment
 
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