Trump wants Gov't Shutdown; Trump signs massive 2yr budget deal

[-DMP-]

Guess there's no shutdown work is normal today.

 

[Gus Money]

https://splinternews.com/the-democrats-played-themselves-again-1822866813

 

[hashmander]

https://splinternews.com/the-democrats-played-themselves-again-1822866813

DACA is just not a winning issue. what people say in a poll and how they react when paychecks stop over that same issue is an entirely different proposition.

pollster: how do you feel about renewing DAC
murican: i think they should renew
pollster: how do you feel about shutting down the govt if DACA isn't renewed
murican: i dunno about that.

and that's the people who feel it SHOULD be renewed.

 

[88m3]

When he was running as a Republican vice-presidential candidate in 2012, Paul Ryan spoke in front of a national debt clock. CreditBrian Snyder/Reuters​

 

[Scoop]

The resistance gets rolled

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), who took heat from immigrant-rights activists for supporting a short-term spending bill in December, described liberal groups as integral to understanding the substance of immigration and other issues — but less helpful with political strategy.

“We listen carefully to them on matters of policy,” Kaine said in an interview. “But often on matters of tactics and strategy, those of us who have been here a while and kind of know it ... on policy yes, tactics less.”

 

[Dr. Acula]

I find myself slowly creeping to the right on DACA



What is happening to me????

Unless you're against DACA flat out, I don't think you could consider everything besides full throat support for DACA as necessarily right wing.

Its just a difference in priority I think most people feel about it. I personally can definitely empathize with the idea of how there is a certain cruelty in sending people who outside of on paper are American, to a country they have no familiarity with. At the same time, the bottom line is that I also can't help that previous administrations and the parents of these children put them in this unfair situation and there should be something done to prevent it from furthering happening and that includes going forward being consistent in immigration policy. It's also very hard to put this in contrast to other things as being a huge issue for me personally. It's one of those things I support it but my passion about it doesn't match the political rhetoric, especially compared to some other issues.

Secondly, just on illegal immigration in general you can be against it for certain reasons from a left perspective. Particularly when it comes to worker rights and labor laws. Its ripe for exploitation and various abuses.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

When he was running as a Republican vice-presidential candidate in 2012, Paul Ryan spoke in front of a national debt clock. CreditBrian Snyder/Reuters​

Kasich did that in 2016 too

 

[DEAD7]

the logic of linking the plight of undocumented immigrants to government funding was problematic from the start.

“What happened [during the shutdown] is Meals on Wheels stopped, health care stopped,” Sen. Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, a member of Democratic leadership, said in an interview.

“I know the Dreamers don’t want to be pitted against seniors and children and so on,” she added. “I appreciate the intensity in the fact that they want something dramatic, but I don’t believe that’s a good long-term strategy for them to be able to get support.”

 

[Secure Da Bag]

That shyt is for show. She's doing that so she can get up there and say she tried to get legislation debated and voted on, but the Republicans wouldn't allow it. She knows damn good and well she doesn't have the votes. So she's trying to have her cake and eat it too. Let's see who falls for this theatre.

Even the vote will be for show. Because they just don't have the numbers. The bill will pass on party lines and that will be that. Pelosi and Schumer know what they're doing.

All they're trying to do is make Trump look bad and pin it on him one way or the other. I agree that they may not be going about it in the most optimal way though.

If Dems really wanted DACA debated, they would have had it in the Senate bill. Schumer decided to keep it out because it's a good poltiical football to use but not something he wants to really see happen. Pelosi too. It's why they ran her right out the auditorium a month or two ago.

Damn. I hate to be right but....

This is gonna affect the mid-terms supposed takeover if the Dems don't get this together and quickly. If March 23 comes along and there's no deal and no shutdown, the hispanic block is gonna tell the Dems to HYON. There's gonna be a lot anti-establishment Dem candidates because of it. Perez better get Pelosi and Schumer on board sooner than later. Their tactics thus far are giving Trump what he wants. I can't see how they could spin that to a good thing.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Damn. I hate to be right but....

This is gonna affect the mid-terms supposed takeover if the Dems don't get this together and quickly. If March 23 comes along and there's no deal and no shutdown, the hispanic block is gonna tell the Dems to HYON. There's gonna be a lot anti-establishment Dem candidates because of it. Perez better get Pelosi and Schumer on board sooner than later. Their tactics thus far are giving Trump what he wants. I can't see how they could spin that to a good thing.

Well if they think not voting is going to help them or draw more people to their cause lol...

It’s not from a lack of a want from Pelosi and Schumer the numbers are what they are.

The dems and sane people also got what they wanted for the budget. A lot of things got funded that otherwise wouldn’t have been.

 

[hashmander]

Damn. I hate to be right but....

This is gonna affect the mid-terms supposed takeover if the Dems don't get this together and quickly. If March 23 comes along and there's no deal and no shutdown, the hispanic block is gonna tell the Dems to HYON. There's gonna be a lot anti-establishment Dem candidates because of it. Perez better get Pelosi and Schumer on board sooner than later. Their tactics thus far are giving Trump what he wants. I can't see how they could spin that to a good thing.

we're here because they aren't a consistently good enough voting bloc for dems anyway.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

The dems and sane people also got what they wanted for the budget. A lot of things got funded that otherwise wouldn’t have been.

Chip got funded in the first shutdown, so clearly that was more of a priority to them than DACA. Though I remember a post somewhere here that said that Chip should have been extended for 10 years, not 6. 10 years would save more money. Also, why did they give up the leverage with the Debt Ceiling? If it's one thing the GOP buckles on, it's the Debt Ceiling. That could have been a bargaining chip. In fact, the debt ceiling and budget shutdown could have been used as bargaining chips.

For anyone, not up on what the bill is doing:

http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/08/politics/budget-vote-congress-shutdown/index.html

What's in the bill?
The massive two-year budget deal proposed by Senate leaders Wednesday raises budget caps by $300 billion in the next two years, increases the debt ceiling and offer up nearly $90 billion in disaster relief for hurricane-ravaged Texas, Florida and Puerto Rico.
About $165 billion would go to the Pentagon and $131 billion to non-defense programs.
"Our members who are focused on the military are very happy where we landed with that," Ryan told Hewitt on his radio show in reference to the defense spending caps.
The debt ceiling will be raised by the appropriate amount until March 2019.
RELATED: Trillion dollar deficits to hit sooner than expected
Exact spending would be left to the appropriations committees, but included in the funding is $10 billion to invest in infrastructure, $2.9 billion for child care and $3 billion to combat opioid and substance abuse.
The bill also keeps the government running until late March.

we're here because they aren't a consistently good enough voting bloc for dems anyway.

Well yeah, hispanics have been known to lean Republican. This DACA fight is a bad attempt by Democrats to make the hispanic vote lean more Democrat. As someone pointed out earlier, the reason this fight is even happening in the first place is because of Trump. However, Trump doing this was not a surprise really. And the Dems have been handling this in the most inelegant way thus far.

Those 70 YES votes were probably from Blue Dogs Dems.

If the Dems didn't put DACA as a reason to shutdown the government, I'd at least be congratulating on what they've accomplished so far. But by making DACA such an important issue, they've put themselves in a perilous position which could harm their legislative prospects.

 

[El Bombi]

we're here because they aren't a consistently good enough voting bloc for dems anyway.

This

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Chip got funded in the first shutdown, so clearly that was more of a priority to them than DACA. Though I remember a post somewhere here that said that Chip should have been extended for 10 years, not 6. 10 years would save more money. Also, why did they give up the leverage with the Debt Ceiling? If it's one thing the GOP buckles on, it's the Debt Ceiling. That could have been a bargaining chip. In fact, the debt ceiling and budget shutdown could have been used as bargaining chips.

For anyone, not up on what the bill is doing:

http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/08/politics/budget-vote-congress-shutdown/index.html




Well yeah, hispanics have been known to lean Republican. This DACA fight is a bad attempt by Democrats to make the hispanic vote lean more Democrat. As someone pointed out earlier, the reason this fight is even happening in the first place is because of Trump. However, Trump doing this was not a surprise really. And the Dems have been handling this in the most inelegant way thus far.

Those 70 YES votes were probably from Blue Dogs Dems.

If the Dems didn't put DACA as a reason to shutdown the government, I'd at least be congratulating on what they've accomplished so far. But by making DACA such an important issue, they've put themselves in a perilous position which could harm their legislative prospects.

No

 

[Secure Da Bag]

No

"No" what? "No" to what?