Trump confirms, the FBI has raided Mar-a-Lago.

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Your never going to see his base dump him for good. He could be sitting in Florence ADX and it will still be MAGA to the death.

None of that speaks too what the feds have on him and what they will do about it. Once again, they didn’t kick in the door for play play. This is unprecedented and if your skepticism means you can’t believe he’s fukked right now then I guess we all gonna have to wait and see


Like I said before, I don't care about his "base". I just want it to be bad enough to drive a permanent wedge between his base and his fringe. Maybe 30-35% of the public won't leave him but I need the other 65-70% to be permanantly convinced that those who won't leave him are unredeemable.
 

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I don’t have cable. How are they spinning this nuclear story on Fox News? Are they even covering it?

You don't have to tune in to know. They're probably just playing all greatest "whataboutism" hits:

- Russia hoax
- Hunter Biden
- Hillary/Benghazi
- What about Chicago?
 

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Like I said before, I don't care about his "base". I just want it to be bad enough to drive a permanent wedge between his base and his fringe. Maybe 30-35% of the public won't leave him but I need the other 65-70% to be permanantly convinced that those who won't leave him are unredeemable.

That's not going to happen.

At this point people's opinions about Trump are set in stone, I doubt anybody has changed their mind about him since like 2017.


If he did something illegal then feds need to just do their job :yeshrug: but politically I don't see public opinion changing.
 

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sounds like a life in prison type of offense to me
It is (life for him I mean). Some great reporting on this yesterday. Just gathering even declassified docs about US defense capabilities is a crime.

And there is NO REASON for an ex-President to be sitting on 15 boxes of this shyt. Even current Presidents just check out what they need.

Heres my theory. Trump is a mobster. He knows he’s going down. I think his mentality was to use US secrets as collateral “you don’t want me telling what I know and have”.
 
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That’s got to be treason right?
No. What we define as treason and what the Feds consider treason are far apart.

These were the initial charges for John Walker Lindh fighting with Al Qaeda against the US:
  • Conspiracy to murder U.S. citizens or U.S. nationals
  • Two counts of providing material support and resources to terrorist organizations
  • One count of supplying services to the Taliban
  • Conspiracy to contribute services to Al Qaeda
  • Contributing services to Al Qaeda
  • Conspiracy to supply services to the Taliban
  • Using and carrying firearms and destructive devices during crimes of violence
What he pleaded to in a plea deal:
  • supplying services to the Taliban
  • carrying an explosive during the commission of a felony
If they have a smoking gun, they'll probably hit him with mishandling and/or unauthorized removal of classified info
 

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It is. Some great reporting on this yesterday. Just gathering even declassified docs about US defense capabilities is a crime.

And there is NO REASON for an ex-President to be sitting on 15 boxes of this shyt. Even current Presidents just check out what they need.

Heres my theory. Trump is a mobster. He knows he’s going down. I think his mentality was to use US secrets as collateral “you don’t want me telling what I know and have”.

Eh, I think you may be overestimating Trumps intelligence here.

He's a rich privileged white guy that's spent his entire life being able to do whatever he wants and get away with it because of his status and wealth.


Most likely he just has the mentality that he can do what he wants and nothing will happen to him regardless, because it's been true so far.
 

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Eh, I think you may be overestimating Trumps intelligence here.

He's a rich privileged white guy that's spent his entire life being able to do whatever he wants and get away with it because of his status and wealth.


Most likely he just has the mentality that he can do what he wants and nothing will happen to him regardless, because it's been true so far.
But why? He showed no interest in anything unless it could be spoonfed to him in Twitter sized bites. Now he decides to collect troves of intel we know he’ll never read to study?
 

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On CNN John King stated that sources are stating that Trump had information on USA "special access programs" which addresses US nuclear capabilities. That is why the DOJ National Security and FBI did the raid.

The NYT stated that special access programs clearance is even more secret than top secret clearance and a person has to have a special clearance above top secret to have access to the documents. Trump would literally have no legit reasons for having those documents.
 
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I thought they were planted. now it's ok for him to have them because president obama did it (or better yet he wants us to think that since projection is his game).

and please tell me he's not talking about the documents the national archive has for obama's library?
 

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But why? He showed no interest in anything unless it could be spoonfed to him in Twitter sized bites. Now he decides to collect troves of intel we know he’ll never read to study?

Honestly, who knows :manny: especially since we don't have much info about what he had.

But it's Trump so I wouldn't necessarily assume he had a logical motive. I wouldn't put it past him to have just taken the intel out of spite.


Also possible he was going to sell it or something. But even if he was trying to blackmail the govt I'm not sure why he'd need physical documents.. :patrice:
 
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