True Belief is one of the Most Liberating Things Ever

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just because you don't know something 'for sure', doesn't mean you have to 'accept' any belief. saying "I/we don't know" isn't an expression of a "belief"

We create our belief because we humans naturally guess about the unknown once we are in a time of idleness.

What you should be concerned about is if the belief goes against current facts and how willing the person is to put down or alter their current belief according to facts that may be known or new facts that may come in.

 

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belief in anything without support is silly because there is an infinite number of things you can believe in as long as you dont have to provide any evidence for it.

It's not silly if its a great ways outside of our current knowledge. The less we know about something the less guidelines we have to follow when creating a belief and the more flexible the belief will be.

It's natural to guess and its natural to wonder.

We are humans not robots after all.

 

[daze23]

We create our belief because we humans naturally guess about the unknown once we are in a time of idleness.

What you should be concerned about is if the belief goes against current facts and how willing the person is to put down or alter their current belief according to facts that may be known or new facts that may come in.

no, I'm concerned about people's standards of evidence, period

 

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no, I'm concerned about people's standards of evidence, period

How does having a belief go against that?

 

[daze23]

How does having a belief go against that?

I imagine that could go many ways with some semantics. but yes, holding a dogmatic belief goes against the standards of evidence that I think people should follow

 

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I imagine that could go many ways with some semantics. but yes, holding a dogmatic belief goes against the standards of evidence that I think people should follow

Oh so your against a dogmatic belief.

It's always good to specify because simply saying beleif doesn't show much specifics and that hinders the message that your trying to convey.

 

[daze23]

Oh so your against a dogmatic belief.

It's always good to specify because simply saying beleif doesn't show much specifics and that hinders the message that your trying to convey.

well it's the only kind of belief as far as I'm concerned. I just figured I'd clarify, to avoid some fluffy interpretation of the word "belief"

 

[Mr. Pink]

De omnibus dubitandum.

 

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well it's the only kind of belief as far as I'm concerned. I just figured I'd clarify, to avoid some fluffy interpretation of the word "belief"

Oh because simply believing something out of our realm of knowledge where evidence isn't able to be gotten for or against is not exactly something that goes against intelligence which is what made be question your saying.

 

[daze23]

Oh because simply believing something out of our realm of knowledge where evidence isn't able to be gotten for or against is not exactly something that goes against intelligence which is what made be question your saying.

why would you believe something outside of our realm of knowledge?

 

[NoMayo15]

so you want an argument for the sake of an argument..I told you i had personal reasons, and left it at that..there was nothing confrontational in your initial tone and i did not give you a confrontational response, nor did I say I have an answer to any question

Im not here for that friend, one of the most telling verses in the quran

Say : O ye that reject Faith! [1] I worship not that which ye worship, [2] Nor will ye worship that which I worship. [3] And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, [4] Nor will ye worship that which I worship. [5] To you be your Way, and to me mine. [6]

Not arguing for arguing's sake. You obviously think something is right about the Islamic world view for you to go from being a devout atheist or however you put it, to being a Muslim. Now, as this generally doesn't happen since a lot of atheists are also skeptics, so I was just asking what convinced you. If it was some inexplicable personal experience, then fine, I'm not trying to debate that with you. It just seems to me that if you are skeptically minded, and was critical enough to leave theism outright, then you must have a damn good reason to return to the religion you were raised to believe. Then again, there's always the possibility that you "stopped believing" for emotional reasons rather than rational ones, and reconverted for similar reasons...

 

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why would you believe something outside of our realm of knowledge?

The universe is vast. I'm sure many things we know, built and improved upon came from various beleifs that would of been comsidered impossible 1000 years ago.

I'm also sure many discoveries we made were once beliefs 1000 years ago.

 

[daze23]

The universe is vast. I'm sure many things we know, built and improved upon came from various beleifs that would of been comsidered impossible 1000 years ago.

I'm also sure many discoveries we made were once beliefs 1000 years ago.

we know many of these things because the scientific method has a strict standard of evidence. common sense and belief will never really lead you to a counterintuitive answer

 

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we know many of these things because the scientific method has a strict standard of evidence. common sense and belief will never really lead you to a counterintuitive answer

You act like possessing a belief will automatically make you go against science and evidence.

What really matters is how a person handles belief to where they know that their beliefs can only exist if it doesn't go against science.

And as I've shown a belief can exist and not go against science.

 

[daze23]

You act like possessing a belief will automatically make you go against science and evidence.

What really matters is how a person handles belief to where they know that their beliefs can only exist if it doesn't go against science.

And as I've shown a belief can exist and not go against science.

a broken clock is right twice a day