Trade 3 Firsts and a 3rd for a 4th Brehs - Official 2023 San Francisco 49ers Season Thread!!!

[Bryan Danielson]

 

[Jmare007]

fukk it…. Make up for the Dee Ford debacle and sign Chris Jones.

Then sign Tyron Smith & Trent Brown

Uncle Eddie would be proud

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Nah... there's no real advantage either way. They did 120,000 sims. It's all accounted for.

People have no clue what they are talking about.

Sounds like he has no clue either.
I guess you missed the part where he says his results dont answer the question and it was just one model. So idk why you using this as some definitive answer to the question, the dude you tweeting doesnt even believe his study is a definitive answer.

Like I said at first. Im going to take reid and his analytics over w/e you get as "proof"

Andy Reid credited Chiefs' analytics coordinator for overtime strategy

Head coach Andy Reid credited the #Chiefs’ analytics coordinator for Kansas City’s overtime strategy that won Super Bowl LVIII.

chiefswire.usatoday.com

“Mike Frazier, our analytics chief, he does all the work on it,” Reid explained. “It can go either way, but the one thing it does is it gives you the opportunity to see what you’ve got to do. They came down and scored three points, you’ve either got to score three or get a touchdown.”

Andy Reid on OT coin flip decision: I'm not going to question Kyle Shanahan

The Super Bowl went to overtime for the second time in history on Sunday and it was the first time that overtime was conducted under the revised rules that guarantee each team a chance to possess the ball, so the decision for the team that won the coin flip had more intrigue than in the past.

www.nbcsports.com

“That’s the value of [statistical analysis coordinator] Mike Frazier,” Reid said. “He does a great job with that. There’s two way you can go with it. You can either kick it off or you can receive it. I’m not sure there’s a right answer necessarily. Ours ended up being the right one. That easily could have gone the other way. That’s what we felt was the right thing to do. I’m never going to question Kyle because he’s brilliant. That was just something that we chose through our studies. We felt that was important.”

Mahomes also said they were prepared to go for 2 in the event that Kyle scored a TD.

Like Reid and the guy you quoted said, there is not definitive answer. But as of right now the team that was happy to get 2nd possession. The team who had their analytics say you want 2nd possession. Is the team that that hoisted the superbowl trophy.

Right now 2nd possession has a 100% win rate in superbowls and postseason under the new rules.
Analytics also dont take into account football shyt like skills of players and momentum.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Cousins

Sounds like he has no clue either.
I guess you missed the part where he says his results dont answer the question and it was just one model. So idk why you using this as some definitive answer to the question, the dude you tweeting doesnt even believe his study is a definitive answer.

Are you even reading what he said there? He said if there was an error it'd be slight and he said if there was an error it would be that the team electing to take first possession would be undervalued.... lmaoo

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Cousins


Are you even reading what he said there? He said if there was an error it'd be slight and he said if there was an error it would be that the team electing to take first possession would be undervalued.... lmaoo

Where did I say anything about errors. Let me repose this part

So why you trying to take this guy's words as gospel when he straight up telling you not take it as gospel?

So he is right but Reid and his team of analytics are wrong? The same team that won the superbowl?
Ima side with Reid and his analytics, you can side with Brian and Shanahan.
We see who turned out right in the end

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

We see who turned out right in the end

120,000 sims vs. 1 game... yeah, you don't understand how analytics works at all. But why would you?

And he wasn't trying to prove one way or another what a "right" answer is.... there is no right answer. It's 50/50.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

120,000 sims vs. 1 game... yeah, you don't understand how analytics works at all. But why would you?

Can you not comprehend? You do realize Reid and his analytics team most likely ran that shyt more than 120k times and chose to go 2nd?

Andy Reid credited Chiefs' analytics coordinator for overtime strategy

Head coach Andy Reid credited the #Chiefs’ analytics coordinator for Kansas City’s overtime strategy that won Super Bowl LVIII.

chiefswire.usatoday.com

“Mike Frazier, our analytics chief, he does all the work on it,” Reid explained. “It can go either way, but the one thing it does is it gives you the opportunity to see what you’ve got to do. They came down and scored three points, you’ve either got to score three or get a touchdown.”

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Can you not comprehend?

Can you? If the next playoff game results in the team with first possession winning, it will mean it's 50/50 in real time and make everything you just said irrelevant You're discussing one game, after the fact.... that's not how analytics works.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Here's another post where I kill a narrative that's out there. Purdy has been great to this point in the clutch. Lol @ Jimmy G's 35.4 QB rating...

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Can you? If the next playoff game results in the team with first possession winning, it will mean it's 50/50 in real time and make everything you just said irrelevant You're discussing one game, after the fact.... that's not how analytics works.

I see what your doing. You trying to argue about my one game comment because you cant argue against what I said. Lets drop my comment about the team wanting 2nd possession winning.

What do you say about KC's analytics team saying their research told them taking the ball 2nd is better than the first possession?
Do you think espn guy on twitter ran more tests than the analytics head of an NFL team, who is paid big bucks to do the job?

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Do you think espn guy on twitter ran more tests than the analytics head of an NFL team, who is paid big bucks to do the job?

That's a lot of assumptions. The people at ESPN or any other major firm or media outlet have nothing better to do than to run sims all day long. Many of these people have had jobs with teams or will have jobs with teams.

The bottom line of all of this is anyone saying Shanny was "wrong" is an idiot... The decision of taking or not taking the ball has less to do with the outcome than what his decision was on 3rd and 4 and then 4th and 4 from the 9.

That's where I disagreed with what he was doing.

 

[FakeNews]

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

We all had that conversation Lol... but Jimmy G being a statue in the pocket was also a major problem.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

That's a lot of assumptions. The people at ESPN or any other major firm or media outlet have nothing better to do than to run sims all day long. Many of these people have had jobs with teams or will have jobs with teams.

The analytics departments for an NFL team have nothing better to do than run sims either, especially since they are paid to do so.

The bottom line of all of this is anyone saying Shanny was "wrong" is an idiot...

Anyone saying Shanny is absolutely "right" for the decision is also an idiot. Seems it can go either way but playcalling on the 2nd possession seems to be an advantage as pointed out by Reid

There was also a second question in that post.

What do you say about KC's analytics team saying their research told them taking the ball 2nd is better than the first possession?

 

[wire28]

Shanahan really took the ball first in OT

Yeah that was a dummy move. Reid and them would have just hit them with that same corn dog shyt again for 2 pt conversion. That was hassleback level of buffoonery that will be remembered forever. Especially with Mahomes kelce and them giggling in the sideline after it was settled