Toronto is emerging as a tech superpower as immigrants choose Canada over the US

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People say immigrants are stealing jobs, but it's starting to look like job-seekers don't go where the companies are but now the companies go where they are.
I think more and more companies will base their operations in Toronto, even more reason now as the people are so divided with many having toxic personalities.
It's not like that in Canada at all.

  • Many people in the tech industry are choosing to move to Canada over the US because of the US' restrictive immigration laws.
  • Since 2013, Toronto has added more tech jobs than any other place in North America, including Silicon Valley.
  • 25% of Canada's overall workforce are immigrants, and in the tech space that number is even higher — 40%.
ilicon Valley's reputation as the world's leading tech hub could be in jeopardy because of the United States' restrictive immigration laws.

Tens of thousands of immigrant tech workers have flocked to Toronto in the past few years, making it the fastest growing tech hub in North America.

Many of them are deliberately avoiding the US as the Trump administration clamps down on immigration. In June, President Donald Trump temporarily suspended visas known as H-1B visas, which are awarded to thousands of skilled immigrant workers each year.

But while the US is closing doors, Canada has been rolling out the welcome mat. Since 2013, the number of tech jobs in Toronto has skyrocketed from about 148,000 to 228,000, an increase of 54%.

"We have over 100,000 people immigrate to the Toronto region each year, which is twice as many as San Francisco Bay Area," Jason Goldlist, cofounder of TechToronto, said. And we don't just attract the quantity. It's also quality because a fifth of these immigrants already have a STEM degree before they even arrive here.

Canadian e-commerce giant Shopify is trying to capitalize on the opportunity. Following Trump's announcement, CEO Tobias Lutke — himself an immigrant from Germany — tweeted, "If this affects your plans consider coming to Canada instead."


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I had a cool azz housemate from Taiwan who had to go back to Taiwan because he couldn't get his visa.

Hard working, incredibly intelligent dude that got his computer engineering degree from Davis, and Trump kicked him out.

Exactly the type of people we need in this country, and we're turning them away to make white people feel better about themselves.
 

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Yea, our companies are eliminating jobs held by longer term employees for "new grads" from guess where? India or China. I'm looking at resumes for an analyst position and the names were Indian/Chinese, newly landed.

Salaries gonna come way down. Canadians won't know what hit em. Gurpinder will do the work for cheap and won't complain about it.
 

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Yea, our companies are eliminating jobs held by longer term employees for "new grads" from guess where? India or China. I'm looking at resumes for an analyst position and the names were Indian/Chinese, newly landed.

Salaries gonna come way down. Canadians won't know what hit em. Gurpinder will do the work for cheap and won't complain about it.
My company hired some newly arrived asians & they getting 70-80k.
 

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I am not anti-immigration but people need to realize that there is a global backlash against it in the English speaking world. Trump and Johnson are just the forebears. Look at how damn divisive the last Canadian election was. The western provinces (ex- British Columbia) hate Trudeau and consider the elites in Toronto and Vancouver like MAGA types consider the NYC and SF/LA elites.

When I went to Canada for work during the oil boom, there was a palpable frustration and simmering resentment of the "good ol boy" White Canadians against Chinese running up real estate prices in Vancouver/Toronto, muslim immigrants, losing jobs at the low wage end, etc.

Now the national right wing in Canada is more like Conservatives in the UK and see good immigrants with money (i.e. East Indians) as beneficial but don't think Canada is nothing but a bunch of open armed liberal hugs and smiles.
 

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I am not anti-immigration but people need to realize that there is a global backlash against it in the English speaking world. Trump and Johnson are just the forebears. Look at how damn divisive the last Canadian election was. The western provinces (ex- British Columbia) hate Trudeau and consider the elites in Toronto and Vancouver like MAGA types consider the NYC and SF/LA elites.
No it's not as bad and divided as the U.S. is, that's completely untrue.
Not only that but far from it.

When I went to Canada for work during the oil boom, there was a palpable frustration and simmering resentment of the "good ol boy" White Canadians against Chinese running up real estate prices in Vancouver/Toronto, muslim immigrants, losing jobs at the low wage end, etc.

Now the national right wing in Canada is more like Conservatives in the UK and see good immigrants with money (i.e. East Indians) as beneficial but don't think Canada is nothing but a bunch of open armed liberal hugs and smiles.
None of this will change
you know why?
because of culture, north american culture is what it is, it mostly revolves around consumerism and vices.
On the other hand education runs so very deep in everyday asian culture.
Asians work hard to succeed, and don't forget something else.
China and India are overpopulated, so competition is fierce, because of that they go the extra mile in studies and then come to america or canada and are surrounded by people who did not come anywhere close to the competition they experienced.

The tech industries want asians, it's just the way it is and it's going to stay that way for a very long time.
 

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None of this will change
you know why?
because of culture, north american culture is what it is, it mostly revolves around consumerism and vices.
On the other hand education runs so very deep in everyday asian culture.
Asians work hard to succeed, and don't forget something else.
China and India are overpopulated, so competition is fierce, because of that they go the extra mile in studies and then come to america or canada and are surrounded by people who did not come anywhere close to the competition they experienced.

The tech industries want asians, it's just the way it is and it's going to stay that way for a very long time.

In general terms, I don't dispute this. I am not questioning the contribution and value of immigrants to Tech. I am just concerned that people think the anti-immigrant sentiment is a local American thing and may be only temporal (gone after Trump). Look at the Western world and anti-immigration and right wing movements are up literally everywhere. Granted, tech immigrants are usually viewed better than the rank and file poor immigrants without skills but people should not underestimate how sentiment can turn ugly.

In complete economic collapse, and God forbid a conflict with China, you could see a very different tune coming out of even Ottawa and Canberra. Just because they are not as hardcore as the US, don't think the undercurrent doesn't exist.
 

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In general terms, I don't dispute this. I am not questioning the contribution and value of immigrants to Tech. I am just concerned that people think the anti-immigrant sentiment is a local American thing and may be only temporal (gone after Trump). Look at the Western world and anti-immigration and right wing movements are up literally everywhere. Granted, tech immigrants are usually viewed better than the rank and file poor immigrants without skills but people should not underestimate how sentiment can turn ugly.

In complete economic collapse, and God forbid a conflict with China, you could see a very different tune coming out of even Ottawa and Canberra. Just because they are not as hardcore as the US, don't think the undercurrent doesn't exist.
oh ya for sure I agree
even in left circles they say asians are stealing jobs make no mistake
this is not only a right-wing thing

in fact there's an establishment leftist trans jew on this site that negged me because of what I said in the OP about companies going where immigrants are
 

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Why do people think America became a technological power house in the first place?

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This guy would've gotten sent back to Germany to be gassed if Trump were in charge.
 
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Yea, our companies are eliminating jobs held by longer term employees for "new grads" from guess where? India or China. I'm looking at resumes for an analyst position and the names were Indian/Chinese, newly landed.

Salaries gonna come way down. Canadians won't know what hit em. Gurpinder will do the work for cheap and won't complain about it.


This is a legit issue. And I am glad that you mentioned it.

It is starting to become incredibly difficult for millennials/ genz graduates to begin their careers for the reason you just explained. Even harder if they are black.

I truly hope this doesn't lead to the emergence to Some sort of trump like politician that strokes the flames of white supremacy, and explains the broke, joblessness, of white folks on immigrants.

I have noticed that white folk are being pushed out of the GTA, and moving into remote areas, not going to college, and being ravaged by opioid addiction. If they can't afford to buy a home, or even get a decent job I wonder how it's going to pan out :lupe:

Of course this is all speculation on my part. Don't have data to back it up just my personal observations :hubie:
 
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