Top 5 and we on the run - Official Offseason Raptors 2021 Season Thread

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Yeah I still don't see how it'll all work. We got a team full of 6'7 and 6'8 guys who can't shoot now

They better hope Barnes shot comes along quickly and he's more of a jaylen brown and kawhi in terms of shot development than a MKG, Corey Brewer and Stanley. Otherwise this is a franchise altering pick and they wasted a golden opportunity at a franchise player for a glue guy

Its unsettling that were trending away from what is successful in the league...were trending to non offense all defense 6-8 guys who cant shoot....
 

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MLSE who owns the raptors - rogers and bell
rogers owns sportsnet
bell owns TSN

Toronto star is owned by nordstar capital which is run by Jordan bitove, jordan bitove father john bitove was the first owner of the raptors

Referring to the Athletic (Koreen or Blair) or Postmedia (Wolstat) or SI (Rose). Those guys aren't owned by any entities affiliated with the team. Doug Smith, Michael Grange, and Josh Lewenberg tho are under the Rogers/Bell umbrella.
 

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Listen y’all I don’t think the sky is falling. Ima wait and see how this pick works out. The more I think about it, the more I see Scottie Barnes as Iguodala on the Sixers.

Overall though, I think y’all are overrating Suggs. He gonna obviously be a good player but he ain’t a franchise altering talent, but more like a good contributor who might make a few all-star games. The jury is still out on Barnes becoming that guy who can be an all star but if we look deeply at it, there is potential there.
 

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Its unsettling that were trending away from what is successful in the league...were trending to non offense all defense 6-8 guys who cant shoot....
Raptors wanna play switch everything, defence to offence transition ball. They also want to have more passing in the offence. Problem is someone still gonna have to cash jumpers or get to the rim.
 

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Raptors wanna play switch everything, defence to offence transition ball. They also want to have more passing in the offence. Problem is someone still gonna have to cash jumpers or get to the rim.

its not about the xs and o's but the jimmy and joe's.

Milwaukee was the highest scoring team in the nba last year and won the title

guess what on defense they gave up more points per game more than 22 other nba teams

defense is overrated, teams are going to score anyways in the modern nba, the key is to outscore them

Just saying if raptors resign birch

and throw out a lineup of birch, siakam, anunoby, barnes, van vleet and play these guys like 35mpg

who is going to score consistently?

or even if trent starts then where does scoring from the bench come from?
there is no lou williams, bobby portis, alec burks, jordan clarkson, cam johnson, cameron payne coming in to get buckets
 

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its not about the xs and o's but the jimmy and joe's.

Milwaukee was the highest scoring team in the nba last year and won the title

guess what on defense they gave up more points per game more than 22 other nba teams

defense is overrated, teams are going to score anyways in the modern nba, the key is to outscore them

Just saying if raptors resign birch

and throw out a lineup of birch, siakam, anunoby, barnes, van vleet and play these guys like 35mpg

who is going to score consistently?

or even if trent starts then where does scoring from the bench come from?
there is no lou williams, bobby portis, alec burks, jordan clarkson, cam johnson, cameron payne coming in to get buckets
I ain’t disagreeing with you fam. I’m just saying I see the Raps philosophy.

You gotta be able to get buckets though. The Raptors will always find a way to create enough offence from their D to keep most games close but the last six minutes of the game is where games are won and they’re won by getting buckets. Shiiit against the Celtics two years ago we shut them down in game 7 and shoulda beat them easily if we had just ONE guy show up to get buckets.

Raps hoping FVV/Siakam/OG magically develop an iso game or something.
 

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Fluffball evaluations....great motor defensive intensity.

He cant shoot,hes a none factor in halfcourt and the thing not being talked about is hes not a great athlete...

Hes just a 6'9" guy who handles the ball...this pick is going to haunt us for years.

As someone stated we took a smaller less athletic Ben Simmons.
At best Aaron Gordon without the freak dunking ability.:unimpressed:



And Gordon was a 4th pick too.

I tried telling you guys, the 4th pick is a horrible spot. Check the history.
 
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Raptors wanna play switch everything, defence to offence transition ball. They also want to have more passing in the offence. Problem is someone still gonna have to cash jumpers or get to the rim.

That wont work in the playoffs...even if thats what you want to do you still go with the best player and its not Barnes...i still hate the fact we drafted a project at 4,you dont take HR swings at 4 you bunt......you take swings in the 20s...
 

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That wont work in the playoffs...even if thats what you want to do you still go with the best player and its not Barnes...i still hate the fact we drafted a project at 4,you dont take HR swings at 4 you bunt......you take swings in the 20s...
I agree that it won’t work in the playoffs cuz you still have to score. In fact, the most important part of playoff success is late game scoring imo.

As for the 4th pick, though Suggs was my guy at four, I still didn’t have any allusions of him becoming a franchise player which is why I don’t think I’m too upset we passed on him. I was way more upset when we drafted Bargs over Aldridge, Bosh over Wade and Hoffa (ughhh) over Iggy cuz you know the guy you passed on will be way better than the guy you took. I just don’t think there will be a huge difference in career ceiling between Barnes and Suggs. I think they’ll reach the same level of impact albeit doing different things, though it’ll take Barnes longer to get there (if he does).
 

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Another thing that ticks me off did the raptors even reach out to anyone to see if they wanted suggs?
 

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I agree that it won’t work in the playoffs cuz you still have to score. In fact, the most important part of playoff success is late game scoring imo.

As for the 4th pick, though Suggs was my guy at four, I still didn’t have any allusions of him becoming a franchise player which is why I don’t think I’m too upset we passed on him. I was way more upset when we drafted Bargs over Aldridge, Bosh over Wade and Hoffa (ughhh) over Iggy cuz you know the guy you passed on will be way better than the guy you took. I just don’t think there will be a huge difference in career ceiling between Barnes and Suggs. I think they’ll reach the same level of impact albeit doing different things, though it’ll take Barnes longer to get there (if he does).


IF Barnes becomes a capable shooter hes likely gonna be the better player,i doubt he will ever be that tho,impossible to say hes ceiling is higher when the biggest contributor to that ceiling is something he sucks at....and is behind the other top 5 guys.
 

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IF Barnes becomes a capable shooter hes likely gonna be the better player,i doubt he will ever be that tho,impossible to say hes ceiling is higher when the biggest contributor to that ceiling is something he sucks at....and is behind the other top 5 guys.


How many bad shooters actually became good?
 
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