Top 10 African Empires

[Apollo Creed]

I already post three videos of him here, who else posting his videos?

could have been all your post I saw, I`m saying I've seen his videos appear on her multiple times

 

[Bawon Samedi]

What's your opinion on Kanem Bornu empire being number one in the video?

Nothing really, but I think thing the video maker forgot to mention about Kanem is that they were one of the first African states to use firearms, which they got from the Ottomans.

 

[Poitier]

Nothing really, but I think thing the video maker forgot to mention about Kanem is that they were one of the first African states to use firearms, which they got from the Ottomans.

It was actually this picture of buddy on the left that made me research this further

 

[Bawon Samedi]

It was actually this picture of buddy on the left that made me research this further

Also the Kanem iirc had alliences with the Ottomans and were very respected by other muslims. They even conquered most of southern Libya, which shows in a historical sense there is no such thing as "sub Saharan African", as "sub Saharan Africans" have always lived in southern Libya which is "North Africa".

 

[Poitier]

Also the Kanem iirc had alliences with the Ottomans and were very respected by other muslims. They even conquered most of southern Libya, which shows in a historical sense there is no such thing as "sub Saharan African", as "sub Saharan Africans" have always lived in southern Libya which is "North Africa".

Yeah, Chad/Cameroon seems to be the central point for North, West, East and Central Africa. Even read that it is as important a site for early hominids as the Nile Valley.

 

[Raptor]

I also think Egypt should have been number one. It had the longest run, and I also like that they were able to bounce back multiple times after suffering setbacks. Mali also could have been number one, but do y'all think they could have been even greater?

In regards to Songhai I've always been disgusted with the way it ended There was no reason that Morocco should have ended them the way they did, not with the resources that they possessed. I read that the emperor could have done things to end Songhai: poison the waters so they don't even make it to their land, and/or buy weaponry from the Ottomans. I also am not well versed on the Somali empire, so I can't speak on them for sure, but from the video they seemed very impressive Axum was great as well, but the rise of Islam hurt them right?

There was a range of factors which contributed to Aksums demise.
Some say Climate Change drove the habeshas more inland, thus cutting them off from the rest of the world.
Some say Aksum was destroyed by a legendary Ethiopian Jewish Queen Jodit. This theory seems to be gainig traction amongst Ethiopian intellectuals
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gudit

Islam unified the Arab people and they became stronger and started monopolising of the red sea trade routes which severely destroyed the empires wealth as the aksumite depnded on the red sea trade routes and their naval prowess for their prosperity. The aksumites depended on the disunity of the Arab people for their empire , using proxy states and leaders in Yemen and Southern Arabia to sway Arabian politics in their favour.

The rise of the Zagwe clans
Disunity amongst the Aksumite tribes
The Arabisation of Aksums main allys and vassal states the Sabaeans/Hydramout(Yemen, Oman) , and Nubia

The Aksumites greatest ally, the Byzantine empire didnt come to their aid when their outposts in Yemen was under attack by the Persians

Abyssinia eventually became a christian state surrounded by malevolent and expansionist islamic states. They were isolated from the East for hundreds of years

 

[Raptor]

Mali >>>>>

 

[J-Nice]

Saved

 

[AJaRuleStan]

It was actually this picture of buddy on the left that made me research this further

They remind me of the badass Alik'r warriors from Skyrim.

 

[KingMalik]

I wish we had the money to make big budget movies about our empires

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Didnt watch video yet, but seems interesting.

And yeah Somalis always had rich historic empires/states in Africa. Too bad its not as studied, even by so called black scholars. Same goes for early Ethiopian history.

It was studied and documented by numerous black MUSLIM scholars. Stop looking to white folks to record and tell you your own history.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

It was studied and documented by numerous black MUSLIM scholars. Stop looking to white folks to record and tell you your own history.

I hope you're NOT projecting that onto me... And yes the Black MUSLIM scholars are the ones I'm also referring to. I can hardly find any book dedicated on Axum by black scholars whether they be muslim black or not. Unless you can refer me to one which would be helpful.

As for Somali documented stuff, I mostly have to ask Somalis about stuff on their history, because their early history his hardly documented by others, but mostly by them. If you're looking for a full depth book on Somali empires, its gonna most likely be from a Somali scholar and the book is gonna be in Somali language.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Not sure specifically on the Somali lineage, but i'm about to dive into the Ta'rikh al fattash, written by a black Muslim named Al-Hajj Mahmud Kati. This book talks specifically about the Songhai Empire and Timbuktu.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Not sure specifically on the Somali lineage, but i'm about to dive into the Ta'rikh al fattash, written by a black Muslim named Al-Hajj Mahmud Kati. This book talks specifically about the Songhai Empire and Timbuktu.

The Sahelian empires like Ghana, Mali and Songhai are commonly studied by black scholars especially black muslim and black french scholars, but again when it comes to very ancient horn history there is a lack of scholarship. And no its not due to looking for "the white man to tell us the story".

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

The Sahelian empires like Ghana, Mali and Songhai are commonly studied by black scholars especially black muslim and black french scholars, but again when it comes to very ancient horn history there is a lack of scholarship. And no its not due to looking for "the white man to tell us the story".

Again, my apologies for accusing you in being ignorant, as i was more speaking in general terms in that statement.

Somali's definitly have a strong lineage, but alot of it has been orally maintained.