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[DEAD7]

Take money out of politics, now imagine what you have left, are you ok with how that would operate? Now look at who's injecting money into politics and why; then you should have a reason to question your opinion.

I don't blame market entities for lobbying, because I understand they have no choice. I blame govt. for not reffing the game better.

Lets be clear, govt. sets all the rules and controls the game, those in the market are just players. You seem to be pointing at the players and saying they are the problem for how things are when nothing could be further for the truth.
Moreover your solution(removing money) can only come from govt. as well... the market entities really play an extremely small role in the big picture. How govt. has managed to put them center stage and remain on the side line is beyond me.

Wacky libertarians have been advocating for the removal of money from politics, along with an end to the warfare state and the war on drugs for some time... which goes to show how much fear of a freer market exist.
Democrats and republicans have both embraced corporatism head on, and look to remain our only options... eventually anarchy is going to make sense...

This belief that you and the many here have, that those in govt. are going to give up their golden goose is naive IMHO and I dont think history lends itself tot he idea that said change will come peacefully.

 

[Brown_Pride]

I don't blame market entities for lobbying, because I understand they have no choice. I blame govt. for not reffing the game better

Lets be clear, govt. sets all the rules and controls the game, those in the market are just players.

except that the players now have access to write the rules. I'm not saying the government is the answer, they definitely are the problem, but again they are a problem because of the money involved. Name me a job where you spend MILLIONS on the promise of a paycheck that pays THOUSANDS. (and we want to let them manage our money?) Do you at least admit that the players are affecting the rules? NVM You've already admitted that.

You seem to be pointing at the players and saying they are the problem for how things are when nothing could be further for the truth.

be serious now. One of your talking points is that regulations hurt the economy and stifle competition because corporations get their hand involved, no you're saying corporations don't have any influence in the laws?

Moreover your solution(removing money) can only come from govt. as well... the market entities really play an extremely small role in the big picture. How govt. has managed to put them center stage and remain on the side line is beyond me.

For playing such a small role companies sure do spend a lot of money on lobbying, you should let them know it doesn't make a difference and that their role is extremely small.

Wacky libertarians have been advocating for the removal of money from politics, along with an end to the warfare state and the war on drugs for some time... which goes to show how much fear of a freer market exist.

THose are points i'd agree with, those same wacky libertarians also say things like no government and no taxes

Democrats and republicans have both embraced corporatism head on, and look to remain our only options... eventually anarchy is going to make sense...

ultimately this is where I think things are headed if we don't do something to change.

This belief that you and the many here have, that those in govt. are going to give up their golden goose is naive IMHO and I dont think history lends itself tot he idea that said change will come peacefully.

no, no it does not, i've never claimed it would.

 

[DEAD7]

except that the players now have access to write the rules. I'm not saying the government is the answer, they definitely are the problem, but again they are a problem because of the money involved. Name me a job where you spend MILLIONS on the promise of a paycheck that pays THOUSANDS. (and we want to let them manage our money?) Do you at least admit that the players are affecting the rules? NVM You've already admitted that.

Now if the NFL decided to let the Patriots and Broncos write the rules, would you blame the Broncos and Patriots or the NFL?

If the broncos decided to be honorable and not lobby for rules in their favor, they would be conceding to the patriots, or any other team that did lobby. They have no choice but to lobby in order to stay competitive.

Its 100% on the governing body. Blaming the players is silly.

my point about libertarians is that those few talking points alone, puts libertarians far and away in the lead as far as whats in the best interest of those at the bottom.

 

[Brown_Pride]

Now if the NFL decided to let the Patriots and Broncos write the rules, would you blame the Broncos and Patriots or the NFL?

If the broncos and Patriots were in charge of the NFL then sure, they write the fuked up rules why not place blame where it belongs. I'd also blame the NFL for allowing such a thing to take place, but primarily the Broncs and Pats.

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f the broncos decided to be honorable and not lobby for rules in their favor, they would be conceding to the broncos, or any other team that did. They have no choice but to lobby in order to stay competitive.

poor guys, what a moral dilemma, cheat like everyone else, or lose. Why not fight to get everyone else out of the rule writing committee?

Its 100% on the governing body. Blaming the players is silly.

and again i'll say who is the governing body being run by?

my point about libertarians is that those few talking points alone, puts libertarians far and away in the lead as far as whats in the best interest of those at the bottom.

it's the other talking points that toss them right back in dead last.