To the Ukraine with Love. Mexico Declares War on Russia. Canelo Alvarez Vs Dmitry Bivol. May 7. DAZN
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if canelo last another 4-5 years...theres going to be some more L's added to his record
if Canelo was concerned with health he would be retired now.
Dont project your believes on a grown ass man from a different culture than you who may value different things.
you assume Canelo would need to keep the same volume up post Undisputed
In this thread dudes who think they Canelo mama
Mama knows best head ass nikkas
if Canelo was concerned with health he would be retired now.
Dont project your believes on a grown ass man from a different culture than you who may value different things.
sorry breh but i think you might be too casual to understand what i and some other are talking about lol
but go ahead with thinking age has something to do with trajectories lining up
orrrrr I have enough respect for a Grown ass man to let him make his own choices and literally posted the man saying his plans (I didn't pull 4-5 yrs out of my ass, but I'm sure you didn't click the videos I posted).
of course i didnt lol because you didnt understand what i was speaking and im 100 percent sure those videos have nothing to do with what im implying
breh debate Canelo not me cause I dont give a shyt bout nothing yall talking bout
I posted what the man said so go give him the after school special speech on why he need to retire tomorrow
you nikkas be trying to debate for the hell of debating, and watch you quote me with another dumb ass post
breh debate Canelo not me cause I dont give a shyt bout nothing yall talking bout
I posted what the man said so go give him the after school special speech on why he need to retire tomorrow
you nikkas be trying to debate for the hell of debating, and watch you quote me with another dumb ass post
i could quote more examples but they would go over your head...dont need to post a vid to prove that lol
have at it with your spence vs canelo fight wish
Canelo's Weekend Misstep Means One Thing – Trilogy Time
BY LYLE FITZSIMMONS
Published Tue May 10, 2022, 12:06 AM EDT
We already knew he wasn’t perfect.
Now we know he’s not infallible either.
Canelo Alvarez’s first blemish came nearly nine years ago and is pardoned these days as too much, too soon for a 22-year-old kid. The second came Saturday, in the form of a big, talented, and determined light heavyweight who outboxed and outworked him.
It was jarring given his pristine win percentage since 2013.
But it’s just as easily forgiven given that a guy who'd debuted at 140 pounds was fighting one who'd never weighed less than 173.
Call it the price of greatness.
Or the price of pursuing greatness. Again.
Alvarez has spent the last few years as a throwback, prioritizing the acquisition of new turf over simply securing his own. He defeated three claimants at 168 pounds, another at 175, and said a win over Dmitry Bivol would be the first step in another quest for undisputed status.
But even the too-close scores in his Russian foe's favor – it was 117-111 to these eyes, by the way – point loudly in another direction.
It's time to address old business before discussing new.
The doubleheader with Gennady Golovkin made Alvarez a reliable pay-per-view star and yielded the prodigious run in which he conquered myriad champions and weights.
The record book says he's 1-0-1 against Triple G, taking a majority decision and the boogeyman's jewelry in 2018 after fighting him to a split draw a year earlier.
But it's not hard to find folks who'd say he’s on the short end of 0-2.
It has been that close.
Five of six scorecards have been either 6-6 or 7-5 – save for Adelaide Byrd's 10-2 joke in the first fight – and neither man has had a convincing upper hand for a significant stretch of time.
They've thrown more than 2,700 punches and landed more than than 800, with Alvarez holding a 32.9 percent to 28.6 edge across 72 minutes.
It's the stuff that makes all-time rivalries, well… all-time rivalries.
And Saturday’s decision means it shouldn't be finished.
Concede publicly or not, it’s certain that a guy like Alvarez knows the loss wasn't the product of faulty judging or poor timing. It was a good big man employing a style that will consistently beat the good little man whether they get together in Las Vegas, Mexico, or Moscow.
Alvarez hit Caleb Plant, Billy Joe Saunders, and Sergey Kovalev and they moved.
The Russian not only stayed put, he punched him back.
A lot.
The 152-84 margin in landed shots will repeat itself with a more confident and better prepared Bivol, which makes the rematch clause about as professionally moot a point as it can be.
Instead, Canelo and Triple-G can go about guaranteeing that they'll be prominently mentioned on each other's Hall of Fame plaques.
Ali and Frazier laid the foundation for their legends over 41 rounds from 1971 and 1975, while Leonard and Duran did the same 1980 to 1989. The tales of Gatti and Ward are defined by their apocalyptic fights in 2002 and 2003, and Pacquiao and Marquez took it a step further between 2004 and 2012.
It's impossible to think of one man without conjuring the other.
Of course, Golovkin is miffed with that notion.
"I don't think that my rivalry with Canelo Alvarez is the only thing that characterizes my career," he said. "Just to point out a few things: I am the record-holder for the number of defenses—21 defenses. I have the biggest number of knockouts. And I think there are people who will remember me by that.
"There are people to whom it would matter more."
A lot? Sure.
But more? That’s ridiculous.
Though his biggest wins were consistently menacing and occasionally compelling, none drew nor deserved the attention of the Alvarez fights. And unless he’s a clear winner in Act III, he’ll be the same sort of second banana that Frazier is to Ali after three fights and Hearns is to Leonard after two.
They were spectacular, but their rivals have eternal victory on perception scorecards.
Is it unfair for a Hall-worthy competitor like Golovkin? Absolutely.
But when it comes to rivalries, it’s pretty simple.
Winning isn’t everything – it’s the only thing.
BY LYLE FITZSIMMONS
Published Tue May 10, 2022, 12:06 AM EDT
We already knew he wasn’t perfect.
Now we know he’s not infallible either.
Canelo Alvarez’s first blemish came nearly nine years ago and is pardoned these days as too much, too soon for a 22-year-old kid. The second came Saturday, in the form of a big, talented, and determined light heavyweight who outboxed and outworked him.
It was jarring given his pristine win percentage since 2013.
But it’s just as easily forgiven given that a guy who'd debuted at 140 pounds was fighting one who'd never weighed less than 173.
Call it the price of greatness.
Or the price of pursuing greatness. Again.
Alvarez has spent the last few years as a throwback, prioritizing the acquisition of new turf over simply securing his own. He defeated three claimants at 168 pounds, another at 175, and said a win over Dmitry Bivol would be the first step in another quest for undisputed status.
But even the too-close scores in his Russian foe's favor – it was 117-111 to these eyes, by the way – point loudly in another direction.
It's time to address old business before discussing new.
The doubleheader with Gennady Golovkin made Alvarez a reliable pay-per-view star and yielded the prodigious run in which he conquered myriad champions and weights.
The record book says he's 1-0-1 against Triple G, taking a majority decision and the boogeyman's jewelry in 2018 after fighting him to a split draw a year earlier.
But it's not hard to find folks who'd say he’s on the short end of 0-2.
It has been that close.
Five of six scorecards have been either 6-6 or 7-5 – save for Adelaide Byrd's 10-2 joke in the first fight – and neither man has had a convincing upper hand for a significant stretch of time.
They've thrown more than 2,700 punches and landed more than than 800, with Alvarez holding a 32.9 percent to 28.6 edge across 72 minutes.
It's the stuff that makes all-time rivalries, well… all-time rivalries.
And Saturday’s decision means it shouldn't be finished.
Concede publicly or not, it’s certain that a guy like Alvarez knows the loss wasn't the product of faulty judging or poor timing. It was a good big man employing a style that will consistently beat the good little man whether they get together in Las Vegas, Mexico, or Moscow.
Alvarez hit Caleb Plant, Billy Joe Saunders, and Sergey Kovalev and they moved.
The Russian not only stayed put, he punched him back.
A lot.
The 152-84 margin in landed shots will repeat itself with a more confident and better prepared Bivol, which makes the rematch clause about as professionally moot a point as it can be.
Instead, Canelo and Triple-G can go about guaranteeing that they'll be prominently mentioned on each other's Hall of Fame plaques.
Ali and Frazier laid the foundation for their legends over 41 rounds from 1971 and 1975, while Leonard and Duran did the same 1980 to 1989. The tales of Gatti and Ward are defined by their apocalyptic fights in 2002 and 2003, and Pacquiao and Marquez took it a step further between 2004 and 2012.
It's impossible to think of one man without conjuring the other.
Of course, Golovkin is miffed with that notion.
"I don't think that my rivalry with Canelo Alvarez is the only thing that characterizes my career," he said. "Just to point out a few things: I am the record-holder for the number of defenses—21 defenses. I have the biggest number of knockouts. And I think there are people who will remember me by that.
"There are people to whom it would matter more."
A lot? Sure.
But more? That’s ridiculous.
Though his biggest wins were consistently menacing and occasionally compelling, none drew nor deserved the attention of the Alvarez fights. And unless he’s a clear winner in Act III, he’ll be the same sort of second banana that Frazier is to Ali after three fights and Hearns is to Leonard after two.
They were spectacular, but their rivals have eternal victory on perception scorecards.
Is it unfair for a Hall-worthy competitor like Golovkin? Absolutely.
But when it comes to rivalries, it’s pretty simple.
Winning isn’t everything – it’s the only thing.
Silly. Talk about the corrupt judges in the Lara, Floyd, GGG, and the Bivol fights. Moretti and those other judges on Sat should be legally investigated.
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Dude really asked what have the other top P4P fighters done besides "not lose" 
Crawford, Usyk, and Spence all coming off quality wins. Canelo shouldn't be in the top 3 not only cause he lost but also the manner in which he lost. shyt wasn't even close really. The division plea cop and recent unification the only thing preventing his fall from being further
Crawford, Usyk, and Spence all coming off quality wins. Canelo shouldn't be in the top 3 not only cause he lost but also the manner in which he lost. shyt wasn't even close really. The division plea cop and recent unification the only thing preventing his fall from being further
don’t think that happens. If Canelo still fighting five years from now it will be bums only, easy wins. No actual contenders.
to stay on topic is it very probable in three years whatever shape he or his career is in, he takes a huge payday to dummy Jake Paul? Yes. Y’all wild if you think otherwise