TNA Slammiversary XI (6/02/13) Bully vs Sting, AJ vs Angle, Hardy/JoeNus vs Aces & 8s

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Pre show match - Who gives a fukk about the decision.

Jericho over Fandango - The veteran gets his win back over the pompous rookie. The story sells itself.

Shield won their respective belts and continue their dominance. Who the fukk cares if their matches didn't last more than 10 minutes. That's some nitpicking bullshyt right there.

The Sheamus/ #MeanMark shyt was weak booking. Won't argue that.

ADR going over Swagger...really? What's the point of arguing this. It's not like anyone wants Swagger in the main event scene. So kill that noise!!

Randy getting a victory in his hometown against the Giant. What's the issue with that?

The ending to Cena and Ryback was fine.

It continues the feud without having a clear cut winner. Let me guess you wanted this feud to be over with right? 'Cause that would of been horrendous booking.

And Lesnar wins the rubber match in his feud against HHH.

Your nitpicking just to nitpick!!
See that's exactly what I'm talking about, E has a bunch of pointless bullshyt, even for their PPV and their fans are just like "Oh ok, I guess that's how it's supposed so be" EVERY MATCH NEEDS TO COUNT ESPECIALLY ON A PPV, UNDERCARD OR NOT

It's 101 level of story telling that if it does not feature character development or major plot development, LEAVE IT OUT. It's a fukking circus, it's ran like a fukking freak show circus with random matches for no reason

The Veteran should've immediately been paired with the Int. championship upon return to give it some much deserved shine, Fandango can build in the mean time. They build characters for a month or two, get bored with them, bushes, while the titles remain which they ignore 24/7/365 and they wonder why putting belts on guys no longer gets them over...

ADR/Swagger was another Smackdown level main event that did not have enough heat to be on the PPV. Don't care who won, that's the problem.

MOTHERfukk Randy Orton's hometown victory, did ya'll NOT see what they did to Natalya on Monday? :wtf: :pacspit: Childish immature bullshyt favorite playing on that hometown schtick, fukk that, match was a Smackdown main event, not a PPV attraction.

Ryback/Cena would've been fine with an actual winner...but Cena must be protected, Ryback too...God forbid in a brutal gimmick Last Man Standing match someone actually lose :rudy:

Cut out the fat, add more minutes to the guys who count and you have a show. The belts count (or SHOULD unless you're a moron) and the Shield COUNTS



Done. :birdman:
 

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Gail and Taryn... holy fukk! :ooh: :bow:

Those 2 gals just put on one of the best women's matches in YEARS!
See, WWE? That’s what happens when you let your female workers ACTUALLY WRESTLE!!! Take some fukking notes, jackasses.

Overall, Slammiversary was ACTUALLY pretty good, for the most part.

This PPV kicked a lot of ass for the most part.

AJ/Angle was good, though I was kind of “meh” on the finish.

Chris Sabin was a nice feel good story. See where he goes from here. I wouldn’t mind seeing him challenge Bully for the title at Destination X.

Gail and Taryn tore the fukking house down, what else needs to be said there? :smile:

And Bully retained, which was smart to do.



All in all, I give Slammiversary a nice solid B, maybe even a B+. It was WAY BETTER than what Extreme Rules was, that’s for damn sure!

Hell, I'll even say it was better than WrestleMania, just for the fukk of it. :pachaha:
 

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See that's exactly what I'm talking about, E has a bunch of pointless bullshyt, even for their PPV and their fans are just like "Oh ok, I guess that's how it's supposed so be" EVERY MATCH NEEDS TO COUNT ESPECIALLY ON A PPV, UNDERCARD OR NOT

It's 101 level of story telling that if it does not feature character development or major plot development, LEAVE IT OUT. It's a fukking circus, it's ran like a fukking freak show circus with random matches for no reason

The Veteran should've immediately been paired with the Int. championship upon return to give it some much deserved shine, Fandango can build in the mean time. They build characters for a month or two, get bored with them, bushes, while the titles remain which they ignore 24/7/365 and they wonder why putting belts on guys no longer gets them over...

ADR/Swagger was another Smackdown level main event that did not have enough heat to be on the PPV. Don't care who won, that's the problem.

MOTHERfukk Randy Orton's hometown victory, did ya'll NOT see what they did to Natalya on Monday? :wtf: :pacspit: Childish immature bullshyt favorite playing on that hometown schtick, fukk that, match was a Smackdown main event, not a PPV attraction.

Ryback/Cena would've been fine with an actual winner...but Cena must be protected, Ryback too...God forbid in a brutal gimmick Last Man Standing match someone actually lose :rudy:

Cut out the fat, add more minutes to the guys who count and you have a show. The belts count (or SHOULD unless you're a moron) and the Shield COUNTS



Done. :birdman:

This is an excellent post.

The root of all of this is the fact that pushes are so random, which ties into the fact that NO one on the booking team, from Stephanie down, knows how to tell a story and build challengers up.

Let me give you two examples of how ridiculous booking's gotten over the years:

1). At one point last year, Brodus Clay was undefeated, completely squashing everyone in his path. Meanwhile, Dolph Ziggler seemed to be on TV exclusively to get Brogue Kicked into oblivion every week (substitute X wrestler's finisher when applicable). Now, seeing as this is supposed to be a fictional representation of actual sport (I know, shocking, right?), answer this question: Who was closer to getting a WWE or World Title shot? Clay or Ziggler?

If you answered Clay, you know far too much about how combat sport (mostly) works, and thus are unqualified to write for WWE.

Yet in June, after literally months of relentless jobbing, after a match in January where CM Punk beat Ziggler literally FOUR times in said match (and included a spot where Ziggler died for 5 minutes off of ONE CM Punk strike, just so Punk could argue with John Laurinaitis), Ziggler wins ONCE, and is awarded a title shot against Sheamus.

This is fukking stupid. How is someone supposed to get over if they don't WIN. You know why Lesnar/Carwin did like 1.16 million buys? Why Lesnar/Velasquez did 1.05 million buys? Because Carwin and Velasquez WON all the time, and were going against a guy said he was going to win and dominate opponents, and WON all the time. They wanted to see who was going to WIN. Why did people want to see Mayweather/Pacquiao so badly? Same reason: Two guys who WON all the time going against each other to see who was going to WIN. Pepper the scenario with a little shyt talk and story building and BOOM, instant heat for a storyline.

It's completely embarrassing that WWE can't do any of this. That the veritable innovators of building heat like this in Wrestling are being lapped by New Japan. Which leads to my second example...

2). Kazuchika Okada in New Japan. This is a counter example of sorts, but still applies. Here, we have a guy that, during his first run in the company, lost literally every big match he was a part of, went on an excursion, came back, lost his only match back, went back on excursion, won exactly ONE match upon his return, then decided to challenge the number one guy in the company. Literally everyone in the Tokyo Dome, including said champion, treated him as if he was a barely functional invalid (because, you see, winning actually matters somewhat over there).

So, of course, when he actually won the belt, it was a huge shock and got over.

So what happened to Okada-san? Did he lose random matches clean for no reason and/or for the fukk of it? No, they took what got over and built on it, having him lose like one match for the next year, win every singles tournament he was a part of, and generally made him look like the best wrestler in the company. It got over HUGE. Therefore, when he challenged for the Heavyweight title against the guy that beat him, it was a matchup between two guys who almost never lost, except to each other, to see who the champion and better man was between two guys who WON all the time.

The basis of a storyline should be extremely simple: Pit two guys or girls against each other who want to win and give us a reason to see it for heat's sake. And yet WWE wants to act like we want to see all of this comedy and soap opera bullshyt. WHY in the fukk is a Ziggler/Cena feud that's supposed to revolve around an anytime/anywhere/anyplace title shot actually about some girl who they're never going to wrestle, in a storyline with another person that neither of these guys are going to wrestle, that it AT BEST tangentially connected to the title shot that these two guys are supposedly fighting over. The soap opera elements are supposed to be ADDED to the storylines, not be the main focus of the storylines to the detriment of the actual reason for matches.

It's SO. fukkING. STUPID. And they wonder why people can't get over.
 

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This is an excellent post.

The root of all of this is the fact that pushes are so random, which ties into the fact that NO one on the booking team, from Stephanie down, knows how to tell a story and build challengers up.

Let me give you two examples of how ridiculous booking's gotten over the years:

1). At one point last year, Brodus Clay was undefeated, completely squashing everyone in his path. Meanwhile, Dolph Ziggler seemed to be on TV exclusively to get Brogue Kicked into oblivion every week (substitute X wrestler's finisher when applicable). Now, seeing as this is supposed to be a fictional representation of actual sport (I know, shocking, right?), answer this question: Who was closer to getting a WWE or World Title shot? Clay or Ziggler?

If you answered Clay, you know far too much about how combat sport (mostly) works, and thus are unqualified to write for WWE.

Yet in June, after literally months of relentless jobbing, after a match in January where CM Punk beat Ziggler literally FOUR times in said match (and included a spot where Ziggler died for 5 minutes off of ONE CM Punk strike, just so Punk could argue with John Laurinaitis), Ziggler wins ONCE, and is awarded a title shot against Sheamus.

This is fukking stupid. How is someone supposed to get over if they don't WIN. You know why Lesnar/Carwin did like 1.16 million buys? Why Lesnar/Velasquez did 1.05 million buys? Because Carwin and Velasquez WON all the time, and were going against a guy said he was going to win and dominate opponents, and WON all the time. They wanted to see who was going to WIN. Why did people want to see Mayweather/Pacquiao so badly? Same reason: Two guys who WON all the time going against each other to see who was going to WIN. Pepper the scenario with a little shyt talk and story building and BOOM, instant heat for a storyline.

It's completely embarrassing that WWE can't do any of this. That the veritable innovators of building heat like this in Wrestling are being lapped by New Japan. Which leads to my second example...

2). Kazuchika Okada in New Japan. This is a counter example of sorts, but still applies. Here, we have a guy that, during his first run in the company, lost literally every big match he was a part of, went on an excursion, came back, lost his only match back, went back on excursion, won exactly ONE match upon his return, then decided to challenge the number one guy in the company. Literally everyone in the Tokyo Dome, including said champion, treated him as if he was a barely functional invalid (because, you see, winning actually matters somewhat over there).

So, of course, when he actually won the belt, it was a huge shock and got over.

So what happened to Okada-san? Did he lose random matches clean for no reason and/or for the fukk of it? No, they took what got over and built on it, having him lose like one match for the next year, win every singles tournament he was a part of, and generally made him look like the best wrestler in the company. It got over HUGE. Therefore, when he challenged for the Heavyweight title against the guy that beat him, it was a matchup between two guys who almost never lost, except to each other, to see who the champion and better man was between two guys who WON all the time.

The basis of a storyline should be extremely simple: Pit two guys or girls against each other who want to win and give us a reason to see it for heat's sake. And yet WWE wants to act like we want to see all of this comedy and soap opera bullshyt. WHY in the fukk is a Ziggler/Cena feud that's supposed to revolve around an anytime/anywhere/anyplace title shot actually about some girl who they're never going to wrestle, in a storyline with another person that neither of these guys are going to wrestle, that it AT BEST tangentially connected to the title shot that these two guys are supposedly fighting over. The soap opera elements are supposed to be ADDED to the storylines, not be the main focus of the storylines to the detriment of the actual reason for matches.

It's SO. fukkING. STUPID. And they wonder why people can't get over.



Prolific posting!!!


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...who the fukk put this match together? How are you going to have Bully Ray put over the career-ending threat of a piledriver, then have Sting kick out of TWO, including one on the exposed wood of the ring?

fukking morons.


All because sting fans saw sting take spiked piledrivers for most of the late eighties.
So, a piledriver on some wood planks.
Just was not gonna cut it.
I would have been pissed to see sting lose to a couple piledrivers.
The piledriver was just for storytelling and to get over how good bully is via promo.

Only ending out of order was angle/aj.
Which, given the fact angle is hof bound.
Was the only reason I could think of to rationalize that decision.

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taryn is fukking nuts. rko from fukking ramp on the fukking concrete
holysh!t moment of the year by far for me
 

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:salute: to Taryn and Gail, had a feeling they'd deliver.

Probably my favorite feud in wrestling now. The match felt like they both really hated each other.

One of the highlights. Crowd going crazy for the match was music to my ears, loved that. Twist of fate/running cutter off the ramp was super unexpected. Glad they impressed.

This is something that the AJ vs. Kaitlyn feud needs, some brutality. Some feeling that both women wanna kill each other. Besides a few backstage fights between them, as far as matches go they haven't really been given a chance to extend the feud and get folks to care. They could have easily had a Wrestlemania match and then an Extreme Rules rematch with a stipulation attached just like this Gail vs. Taryn match.

Anyway it's cool seeing folks hyped about a women's match, women don't get as much respect in the wrestling world but there's some women out there that can really wrestle(shoutout to Shimmer and Stardom) and do more than hair pulling and screaming. Taryn showed that she's not just some skinny girl who can't do anything and Gail proved once again why she's one of the best women's wrestlers ever. Everybody always shoutouts Trish and Lita when it comes to women's wrestlers but to me Gail has surpassed both of them but she doesn't really get as much love like they do. Not a shot at them, I'm just saying.
 

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I think its great that Taryn even wants to try. Its obvious TNA is pushing her as eye candy...and she could probably stick around by just being that, but she's out there trying. Probably helps having Gail, Tara and Mickie in the back. I wouldn't be mad if Dixie's big signing was Beth or Kong. :leon:
 

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:salute: to Taryn and Gail, had a feeling they'd deliver.

Probably my favorite feud in wrestling now. The match felt like they both really hated each other.

One of the highlights. Crowd going crazy for the match was music to my ears, loved that. Twist of fate/running cutter off the ramp was super unexpected. Glad they impressed.

This is something that the AJ vs. Kaitlyn feud needs, some brutality. Some feeling that both women wanna kill each other. Besides a few backstage fights between them, as far as matches go they haven't really been given a chance to extend the feud and get folks to care. They could have easily had a Wrestlemania match and then an Extreme Rules rematch with a stipulation attached just like this Gail vs. Taryn match.

Anyway it's cool seeing folks hyped about a women's match, women don't get as much respect in the wrestling world but there's some women out there that can really wrestle(shoutout to Shimmer and Stardom) and do more than hair pulling and screaming. Taryn showed that she's not just some skinny girl who can't do anything and Gail proved once again why she's one of the best women's wrestlers ever. Everybody always shoutouts Trish and Lita when it comes to women's wrestlers but to me Gail has surpassed both of them but she doesn't really get as much love like they do. Not a shot at them, I'm just saying.

Thats because she got no ass

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