"Timeless" Toni Storm = best gimmick in wrestling ?

[StatUS]

She’s in her home country, so of course she’s gonna get a reaction. That’s not how you base if something works when the obvious is a given.

I don’t understand how my “take” is exaggerated when the facts speak for themselves. No one cares about May. She had a great heel turn, got a reaction at the moment, then barely got any response after that. Don’t you think taking out one of the most over female talents would have her get heat long after that?

They chose the wrong moment to turn her. If it happened this week, or in Wales, it woulda been a better opportunity to get proper reactions for her.

Either way, she’s wack in the ring, has a meh character/personality. Her promo skills are fine, but there’s better out there. Dudes caping for average talent that are slightly better than Mid Baker.

Being in her home country doesn't guarantee a big reaction lol. If the people don't care you like you say they won't react. You say she doesn't get a reaction but anytime she interacts with Storm she gets some type of reaction. Sometimes Mercerdes doesn't get a big reaction but it doesn't mean people won't care about her matches. I understand that you think she's wack but objectively she is getting a reaction in her segments in this feud which right now is the only thing that matters.

 

[MenacingMonk]

Being in her home country doesn't guarantee a big reaction lol. If the people don't care you like you say they won't react. You say she doesn't get a reaction but anytime she interacts with Storm she gets some type of reaction. Sometimes Mercerdes doesn't get a big reaction but it doesn't mean people won't care about her matches. I understand that you think she's wack but objectively she is getting a reaction in her segments in this feud which right now is the only thing that matters.

She’s feuding with the most popular faces in the company. Of course she’s gonna get a reaction when they face off. Thats not how to gauge if someone is over/gets heat. Look how she’s doing without Toni involved. No one cares.

You’re comparing an established big name talent who has proven she can hold her own no matter what to some girl 95% of fans never heard of until Last year. And May is not even 10% of the level Mone is (ring wise, star wise, name wise, etc). Come on, man, do better.

Dudes want to see a long title reign end because a storyline has been built for so long. But look how that storyline has been since the heel turn; it’s not even that big of a deal.

 

[StatUS]

She’s feuding with the most over face in the company. Of course she’s gonna get a reaction when they face off. Thats not how to gauge if something works. Look how she’s doing without Toni involved. No one cares.

You’re comparing an established big name talent who has proven she can hold her own no matter what to some girl 95% of fans never heard of until Last year. Come on, man, do better.

Breh, she's a new talent put in a feud with an established star what do you expect? Not the same level but there were times when Brock Lesnar didn't get huge reactions when he was feuding with The Rock. So what? Liv Morgan been established for years and just started getting booed in her feud with Rhea last week. They've booked a good feud that comes to a head in a place advatangeous to get her more over. That's just good booking. Toni, however is not the top face in the company. Ospreay is and it's not close.

 

[MenacingMonk]

Breh, she's a new talent put in a feud with an established star what do you expect? Not the same level but there were times when Brock Lesnar didn't get huge reactions when he was feuding with The Rock. So what? Liv Morgan been established for years and just started getting booed in her feud with Rhea last week. They've booked a good feud that comes to a head in a place advatangeous to get her more over. That's just good booking. Toni, however is not the top face in the company. Ospreay is and it's not close.

Now you’re just jumping all over the place. We’re talking female talent here, I didn’t think I needed to specify “most over female talent.” Ospreay is irrelevant to the topic.

Look, you like mid talent May. That’s fine. You’re fine with Toni’s reign ending. Ok, I got it. Let’s just agree to disagree and stop jumping all over the place to justify why you think she should win. We’re not gonna change our minds on where we stand.

 

[StatUS]

Now you’re just jumping all over the place. We’re talking female talent here, I didn’t think I needed to specify “most over female talent.” Ospreay is irrelevant to the topic.

Look, you like mid talent May. That’s fine. You’re fine with Toni’s reign ending. Ok, I got it. Let’s just agree to disagree and stop jumping all over the place to justify why you think she should win. We’re not gonna change our minds on where we stand.

It can be argued that Willow is more over than Toni, I was just going by what you said as "most over face in the company." Wouldn't hurt to be specfic there at all. Wrestling booking and reactions is all the same. Which is why I used the examples of Lesnar getting hot shotted to the top and not getting huge reactions every single week to this even tho the obvious what the hot match was at the time. Same with Liv, that story is hot but Liv is just getting over as heel now. May's not in my top favs of WOMAN (lol) wrestlers but objectively she is doing well in the feud and she gets a reaction when she's around Toni which is what matters right now. And I don't care about Toni losing the title either way, if they stick to their inspiration then she will lose everything then go compeltely psycho lol.

 

[MenacingMonk]

It can be argued that Willow is more over than Toni, I was just going by what you said as "most over face in the company." Wouldn't hurt to be specfic there at all. Wrestling booking and reactions is all the same. Which is why I used the examples of Lesnar getting hot shotted to the top and not getting huge reactions every single week to this even tho the obvious what the hot match was at the time. Same with Liv, that story is hot but Liv is just getting over as heel now. May's not in my top favs of WOMAN (lol) wrestlers but objectively she is doing well in the feud and she gets a reaction when she's around Toni which is what matters right now. And I don't care about Toni losing the title either way, if they stick to their inspiration then she will lose everything then go compeltely psycho lol.

Regardless of who is number 1 or number 2, Toni is in the top 5-10 over talent. You’re arguing over something irrelevant to the discussion.

Brock actually had talent, he had a mouthpiece behind him. You could see he was the future. May is mid talent at best and not even that good with the promo.

Liv was actually built up better than May. She took out the one of most popular female talents and put her on the shelf for months. She stole Rhea’s work hubby and helped destroy a faction. You can’t compare her to May.

You like it, I don’t. We don’t control booking. Let’s just see how it goes and move on. You can have the last word if you want.

 

[StatUS]

Regardless of who is number 1 or number 2, Toni is in the top 5-10 over talent. You’re arguing over something irrelevant to the discussion.

Brock actually had talent, he had a mouthpiece behind him. You could see he was the future. May is mid talent at best and not even that good with the promo.

Liv was actually built up better than May. She took out the one of most popular female talents and put her on the shelf for months. She stole Rhea’s work hubby and helped destroy a faction. You can’t compare her to May.

You like it, I don’t. We don’t control booking. Let’s just see how it goes and move on. You can have the last word if you want.

You quoted me first then ended here on the same conclusion I stated initally

 

[MenacingMonk]

You quoted me first then ended here on the same conclusion I stated initally

You talked about if it falls flat at London, which isn’t the way to see if something worked. I just argued how she’s not getting heat leading up to it. The heel turn was great, probably the best this year, but everything after that has been meh.

Let her win the belt and have a program with Deonna or Deeb. Let’s see if she can even hold together an interesting or even a decent storyline.

 

[TheAlbionist]

Hadn't seen this posted yet - got it on while I work today



3hr recap of the whole angle.

 

[TheNatureBoy]

 

[Dylmatic]

 

[Norrin Radd]

Nah this woman is wylin

 

[TheAlbionist]

She's the best it ain't a real debate.

 

[MenacingMonk]

Cock lariat.

Mayu with the

 

[MenacingMonk]

She's the best it ain't a real debate.

Straight up, what other female wrestler in the entire industry is fukkin with Toni and her character work? I don’t see anyone at her level.