This is why lawyers ... I was too drastic.

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The reason a lawyer would defend a client goes beyond "its his job" or "he wants money" its because he wants to make the system better. If an attorney finds a loophole then the powers that be will close it up. If someone is found innocent who is clearly guilty because of shytty police work, then it will cause the police to step their game up. Defense lawyers improve the system by finding flaws within it. If the system is good enough then people who are innocent won't go to prison and people who are guilty will get what they deserve.

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Cool story bro, what was the second story & responses?

I don't know if I could have not told anyone about that. Would have lost my job, and everything. Guess that's why I'm not a lawyer.

I can't remember the second story as well because even while he was telling it me and most of the class we was still :ohhh: from the 1st one and it didn't stick out like that one. But it regarded a civil lawsuit him or the colleague handled.

It was about a woman who was a nurse or something that had a lifelong best friend that was suing her and the clinic/hospital she worked at for withholding life changing/threatening information. The nurse was doing her rounds in the HIV program they had there for testing and treatment and pulled blood and eventually told one particular man among many he was HIV positive.

A few weeks after that event, her best friend said she met a new man she was dating and was about to get serious with. Well that man was one of the men the nurse told who was HIV positive. The guy acted like it was the first time he met her when they met and the nurse played along. The nurse in fear of losing her job couldn't disclose patient information so she couldn't tell her friend he was HIV positive and hoped he would or assumed her friend had enough sense to ask eventually or wear protection. Long story short, her friend contracted the virus and I guess w.e. else afterwards the guy told the girl well your friend knew the whole time and didn't say shyt :russ:, he got in criminal trouble and the girl obviously fell out with the nurse friend and sued her and the client in a civil trial.

Don't know if she won or can't remember really. I know burden of proof is lower for a civil case so wouldn't surprise me if she did. He asked us the same question as the other story while we were still :ohhh: on the first one but went from that face to :damn: on the second one from processing what he just said. He said would you tell your friend that her new boyfriend is/was a patient of yours and he is HIV positive even though you can face criminal and civil action and loss of your career for doing so?

The responses varied like I couldn't let my friend go out like that, to "if she dies, she dies" on some Ivan Drago shyt, to some girls saying they'd fukk the guy with protection and tell the friend he wasn't shyt so the girl wouldn't mess with him :ohhh:, to the other guys in the class saying if it was their friend - a girl, they'd cockblock and try to fukk her :jawalrus: to get the guy out the picture. I can't remember all the responses but it was a hilarious wwyd discussion back then. People were thinking of off the wall ways to keep their job while getting the girl not to screw/date guy if they were in the same scenario. Not many said they would tell the girl outright though which is interesting. Even less said they'd tell the court in the first story if they were the lawyer. The world we live in :yeshrug:. shyts cray if those stories were real though, that lawyer was a slick one so none could tell if he was :troll: us or not. We all left class that day like :ohhh: though, lol.
 

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I was just annoyed, I have no strong feelings towards lawyers one way or the other. One of the parents should have ride on Sandusky, though.
 

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I can't remember the second story as well because even while he was telling it me and most of the class we was still :ohhh: from the 1st one and it didn't stick out like that one. But it regarded a civil lawsuit him or the colleague handled.

It was about a woman who was a nurse or something that had a lifelong best friend that was suing her and the clinic/hospital she worked at for withholding life changing/threatening information. The nurse was doing her rounds in the HIV program they had there for testing and treatment and pulled blood and eventually told one particular man among many he was HIV positive.

A few weeks after that event, her best friend said she met a new man she was dating and was about to get serious with. Well that man was one of the men the nurse told who was HIV positive. The guy acted like it was the first time he met her when they met and the nurse played along. The nurse in fear of losing her job couldn't disclose patient information so she couldn't tell her friend he was HIV positive and hoped he would or assumed her friend had enough sense to ask eventually or wear protection. Long story short, her friend contracted the virus and I guess w.e. else afterwards the guy told the girl well your friend knew the whole time and didn't say shyt :russ:, he got in criminal trouble and the girl obviously fell out with the nurse friend and sued her and the client in a civil trial.

Don't know if she won or can't remember really. I know burden of proof is lower for a civil case so wouldn't surprise me if she did. He asked us the same question as the other story while we were still :ohhh: on the first one but went from that face to :damn: on the second one from processing what he just said. He said would you tell your friend that her new boyfriend is/was a patient of yours and he is HIV positive even though you can face criminal and civil action and loss of your career for doing so?

The responses varied like I couldn't let my friend go out like that, to "if she dies, she dies" on some Ivan Drago shyt, to some girls saying they'd fukk the guy with protection and tell the friend he wasn't shyt so the girl wouldn't mess with him :ohhh:, to the other guys in the class saying if it was their friend - a girl, they'd cockblock and try to fukk her :jawalrus: to get the guy out the picture. I can't remember all the responses but it was a hilarious wwyd discussion back then. People were thinking of off the wall ways to keep their job while getting the girl not to screw/date guy if they were in the same scenario. Not many said they would tell the girl outright though which is interesting. Even less said they'd tell the court in the first story if they were the lawyer. The world we live in :yeshrug:. shyts cray if those stories were real though, that lawyer was a slick one so none could tell if he was :troll: us or not. We all left class that day like :ohhh: though, lol.

great fukkn stories man....honestly was a great way to start my day lol

Shiiiiit for the nurse story (i'm a healthcare professional) the first thing I'm doing is running to HR, no lie lol

Well actually nah, I'm telling. I'm blowing that bytches spot up right there.

For this situation, I feel like its grasping straws around deciding to be moral or ethical. So folks will get all caught up in trying to be virtuous and doing whats right, as opposed to simply not doing the wrong thing (i.e not telling your friend).

So here, the moral person tells the friend on the spot, and risk losing their job. The ethical person checks HIPAA laws, informs their HR director and moves in with the legal team. But regardless, inaction is your worse enemy.

Prisoners dilemma type ish
 

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This is an age old debate about the legal system/lawyers and ethics.

The reason a lawyer would defend a client goes beyond "its his job" or "he wants money" its because he wants to make the system better. If an attorney finds a loophole then the powers that be will close it up. If someone is found innocent who is clearly guilty because of shytty police work, then it will cause the police to step their game up. Defense lawyers improve the system by finding flaws within it. If the system is good enough then people who are innocent won't go to prison and people who are guilty will get what they deserve.

It seems to me that in cases when guilty guys go free, you should be mad at the prosecution rather than the defense.

Although there takes a certain amount of dishonesty to be ANY kind of lawyer. A defense attorneys job is not just to get the person off from the conviction. Their job is to make sure the client gets and understands all of the rights allotted to him by the laws of the land. A murder still needs a lawyer to enter a guilty plea to make sure all his rights are recognized and he understands what is going on in the court room. The legal system is so fukked and confusing you need a lawyer with you just to understand wtf is going on.

And if he's found innocent like the Syracuse guy accused?

Someone has to defend these guys. It is essential the equality the process purports itself to encompass. It is essential to due process. If these individuals are left to fend for themselves just because the subject they're being accused of is uncomfortable then we cannot really claim to be a system of "innocent until proven guilty". Our legal system would be a mere formality. It is essential to the idea of being American than everyone will have a fair chance (and I know it doesn't happen a lot). What if public defenders could refuse to defend indigent defendants just because they didn't like what they were being charged with.

"Injustice anywhere, is a threat to justice everywhere."

people hate lawyers... until they get in trouble

If the prosecutors do their job right, none of it will work anyway. Defense attorney's have kept a lot of innocent people out of jail.

I'm not saying Sandusky was innocent, but he has the right to a defense nonetheless.

They are also held to a standard. They have to do everything they can to win or Sandusky can get a new trial based on that.


:clap: a lot of great responses in this thread

for once, I think we've had a discussion that wasn't polarizing or demeaning of another person's way of life
 
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