This Has To Be The Worst Era For Babyfaces in WWE History...

[Sonny Corinthos]

Its because they abruptly change their characters when they turn. If they could turn these dudes face or heel and let them keep how they act pretty much the same to suit the direction they go it would be fine

Its def different these days, hell imagine if they did The Rock like they do guys today. The Rock became too cool to be a heel, but he was still doing the same and acting the same, he just finally embraced the fans chanting along with his catchphrase instead of shytting on them.

Its probably why ppl will hate Ziggler when he turns. Fans are ready and willing to cheer for a cocky, over bumping Dolph Ziggler. But when he turns we are gonna get a cornball version of Ziggler smiling to god damn much.

I bet you would hear less hate for Cena if they would just embrace the fact that hes prob not the goody goody, goofy marine that they play him on tv. Hes prob soft of a straight dikkhead, if they would let him cut real life promos too it wouldnt be as bad.

I just hate how they write for these dudes, leads to the whole product as a whole looking like shyt.

 

[Momentum]

Santino out here eating well during the drought

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

its why they haven't turned orton...damn near nobody on the roster gets positive crowd reactions in matches while he gets the crowd unglued (don't believe watch ANY match on the wweuniverse youtube channel RIGHT NOW and i guarantee the response to his finish rallies are huge). They can't even afford to turn him heel because the faces suck and they'd lose a big face draw.

btw

if the heels really WERE good, the crowd would get behind the babyface no matter what because they wanted the heel to lose.

HHH had EUGENE OVER because he was so hated

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Its because they abruptly change their characters when they turn. If they could turn these dudes face or heel and let them keep how they act pretty much the same to suit the direction they go it would be fine

You know what happened the last time they did that? We got The Miz in his awful, awkward face turn.

 

[Sonny Corinthos]

You know what happened the last time they did that? We got The Miz in his awful, awkward face turn.

If they let Miz act the same he acted when he was in the tag team with Morrison he would of been fine. The douchey ring gear, the taunts(that shark fin shyt he did before he did that flying clothesline into the turnbuckle)

They think slapping a suit on a dude will all the sudden make them legit. Most of these dudes dont get to be themselves and everything comes off phony, forced and akward.

I give CM Punk credit he seems to be the only one that can avoid the corniness of being a face, even in his first run as champ when he got punted by Legacy, he wasnt a cornball

 

[TrueEpic08]

They think slapping a suit on a dude will all the sudden make them legit. Most of these dudes dont get to be themselves and everything comes off phony, forced and akward.

I give CM Punk credit he seems to be the only one that can avoid the corniness of being a face, even in his first run as champ when he got punted by Legacy, he wasnt a cornball

It's telling that the guys that get some of the best face reactions (Punk, Bryan, and Orton) are guys that have well defined characters that feel organic and/or actively resist the stupidity of WWE creative.

 

[Sonny Corinthos]

It's telling that the guys that get some of the best face reactions (Punk, Bryan, and Orton) are guys that have well defined characters that feel organic and/or actively resist the stupidity of WWE creative.

They are dropping the ball with Daniel Bryan and that Yes shyt its damn near criminal.

People dont watch this shyt much these days anyways, I dont see why they dont just give the ppl who DO watch what they wanna see and its not this dude in a comedy Tag Team( a good one though).

Its a shame the writing is so shameful these days, cuz the roster is great for the in ring product they are putting out there. Unless your a bum like Khali, all the combos of matches are watchable and exciting. Its just wild to me that they dont let these dudes do less gimmicky shyt. Like literally you cant tell ANYONE apart right now. Face, Heel it doesnt matter

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

25% It's closer to 50%, and the guy's currently getting 2005-2007 level boos right now. If that's the guy who's the most relevant face of WWE, then Vince might need to seriously rethink their strategy with him, as he draws better (and works better) as a heel.

Sheamus isn't that over. He's, like, tier 2 babyface over. The guy who you won't headline with, but makes for a perfect lower main eventer. Along with that, he's a terrible babyface, seen nowhere better than this past feud with Mark Henry.

I'd take wanna-be Judd Nelson CM Punk over any of the current babyfaces, and even THAT'S a cut-rate version of the guy (and this CM Punk's not a draw shyt is near ridiculous. Factually inaccurate in terms of merch for almost 2 years, and inaccurate in terms of ratings since June. Cena hasn't drawn better overall ratings than Punk during this reign, and there's less of a disparity in their segment ratings than you'd think. Now Sheamus? There's a guy that doesn't draw shyt...)

Undertaker works 2 months of the year. Pure legend and beloved as such, but irrelevant.

Ryback's situation was a wrong place, wrong time deal. Of course, WWE could have easily salvaged Ryback as a face, but they'd rather have him job in every big match from Hell in a Cell to WrestleMania. Idiots. Heel run hasn't been booked well either.

I'm not saying that you're wrong in saying that they don't have good heels (Punk was literally the only one they had that people really wanted to see lose, and he's going to be turned face by the Payback...starring Randy Orton crowd), but it goes hand in hand. You need heels we want to see, and faces that will make us want to see them lose. WWE has neither.

Alternatively, as some have suggested, you could do something close to shades of grey and let the crowd cheer and boo at will, but that would actually entail writing consistent and compelling characters, and that isn't happening in WWE creative.



Which faces are really THAT over. Cena's hated. Sheamus is tier 2 over. Del Rio sure as hell isn't over. Orton's over, but he hates being a face and is never going to get a shot at being a main eventer again. Bryan's over, but he's probably turning soon. Kane is near-irrelevant. Who's left?

But you're not completely wrong here. The heels are either written down to the level of the faces or are made to look like impotent jackasses. How are you supposed to hate a heel like, say, Cody Rhodes? He's essentially a JTTS. There's no reason to hate somebody that's not a threat to anything.

I just highlighted faces because their shyttiness is most prominent in my mind. But the character writing sucks all around right now.

You seem to have a hard on for Sheamus. Fact of the matter is he's over. Cena is over. Bryan is over. Kane is over. Orton is over. Kofi is over. Jericho is over. HHH is over. Historically, faces had the most issues drawing and maintaining heat. Here, you have an era where "bad babyfaces" have no problem getting over despite terrible booking. On the other hand you have a bunch of heatless generic heels. This is a bad time for heels, not faces. You just hate the face characters so you're making an issue where there is none. a$$hole faces are nothing new. Heels from the main event level on down being status is.

 

[luckyse7enz]

I'd rather stayed face. I understand that he works better as a heel, but I think that him and Ziggler would be better at garnering enough sympathy from the fans to become top babyfaces.

People respect Ziggler's work and how often he's gotten shytted on that they were when he kicked Cena in the mouth at TLC.

Face D-Bry could overcome the odds on Smackdown against the Rybacks, Ortons, and Barretts of the world. Little guys making heels tap is always "in".

 

[TrueEpic08]

You seem to have a hard on for Sheamus. Fact of the matter is he's over. Cena is over. Bryan is over. Kane is over. Orton is over. Kofi is over. Jericho is over. HHH is over. Historically, faces had the most issues drawing and maintaining heat. Here, you have an era where "bad babyfaces" have no problem getting over despite terrible booking. On the other hand you have a bunch of heatless generic heels. This is a bad time for heels, not faces. You just hate the face characters so you're making an issue where there is none. a$$hole faces are nothing new. Heels from the main event level on down being status is.

Hey, from bell to bell, Sheamus is very good. I'm not denying that. But he might be the worst written babyface they have, and as a result, he's not nearly as over as WWE would want him to be. Same with Cena: yeah, he gets reactions, but how valuable are those reactions when he's supposed to be top babyface and half the crowd hates him for reasons they either can't discern or are unwilling to recognize.

Kofi really isn't THAT over. He gets nice "he's a face" pops, not pops that indicate that the crowd's really that into him. He's gotten bigger pops before (in 2009 mostly), but they've sabotaged him via random ass booking.

As for Kane, Jericho, and Hunter, who the fukk cares how over they are? Those men are/are going to be 46, 43, and 44 in 2013. 2 of them are part timers. Those guys aren't carrying anything into the future. Their overness is only really relevant in how it can be used to build fresh guys. Undertaker's over? Yeah, but he's 48 and had hip replacement surgery years ago. How much does their overness REALLY matter.

The situation for heels sucks too, yeah, but it's because they book them to be idiots for faces that can't get as over as they need to be or just turn them to be heels because the ones they have were booked to death. That's basically the whole impetus behind the Punk/Cena feud from this past fall: they had to essentially rewrite history so Cena wouldn't get killed by the crowds. Same with Sheamus/Bryan (not that it really worked). Same for Orton/Christian (yeah, Orton doesn't have the problems that guys like Cena, Sheamus, and Del Rio have, but the principle's the same: they turned Christian not because he needed to turn, but because they needed to manufacture a heel for Orton. And then they proceeded to book him like an impotent coward). And it's the same right now for Cena/Ryback. Thus, you have this situation where heels are booked badly, so they don't get over, and the face's victory looks overly contrived, so they don't get as over as they should.

Based on their pushes, Cena shouldn't be getting booed by half the crowd or more, Del Rio should be getting loud face pops, and Sheamus should be mega-over. Yet that isn't the case because the writing is so bad. And if you're not at least upper midcard, good luck getting over at all.

 

[Momentum]

Sheamus is very over. All this guy does is a phuckin kick, and the crowd is hot for him. He literally can't talk on the mic, has had no character development and gets a top 5 reaction.

 

[SanfordMan75]

ol' fred has alwayz been a heel man and aint nuttin changin dat
but i will admit dat da faces in da attitude era used to tweak a little bit of heel shyt which is why da attitude era will alwayz be
while today da faces & some heels are puzzys & alwayz smilin & shyt

 

[Reggie]

shyt has reversed in the WWE. Most of us now cheer the heel and boo the face. To me a lot of it is backlash from making their top faces look invincible most of the time.

 

[Smokebreak]

shyt has reversed in the WWE. Most of us now cheer the heel and boo the face. To me a lot of it is backlash from making their top faces look invincible most of the time.

Fairly tale aspect..its part of the game

I'd rather stayed face. I understand that he works better as a heel, but I think that him and Ziggler would be better at garnering enough sympathy from the fans to become top babyfaces.

People respect Ziggler's work and how often he's gotten shytted on that they were when he kicked Cena in the mouth at TLC.

Face D-Bry could overcome the odds on Smackdown against the Rybacks, Ortons, and Barretts of the world. Little guys making heels tap is always "in".

#ITSNOTSUPPOSEDTOBEGOOD



Crowds suck in non smark cities because the heels have no character and say the same scripted shyt. Brass gets on Cesaro for being boring...then what is an unmasked Cawdy?

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

You really think the majority of people who watch raw or follow WWE in some capacity don't like John Cena? It's probably 25% at most, and he's a more visible, relevant national star than Bret, HHH, HBK, or Nash (as Diesel) was as a top guy.

This must be the same denial-fueled rationale they repeat every week in the writers mettings.