This chic is %20 African?!?

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it's not goal post moving because in the USA by default, most people see fair skinned afro-europeans as "black" before they do "white" because there is no real "mixed" identity in the USA

Are we sure that "most people" in 2017, have racial views akin to 1817 America?

Then what do we say about so-called "Hispanics" or "Latinos" now in the US, that feature basically
the same amount of African and European DNA admixture as many Black Americans?

Does "society" apply the old "one-drop-rule" to them, too?

If the family below, is driving in a car down I-95 from New Jersey to Florida, without any one knowing
their surname, are they seen as just a regular Black family headed down South?

Or are they "Hispanics" by sight?

Or, are they so average looking these days in an increasingly-mixed society, that no ones gives them a second thought one way or another about their lineage?


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And for those who don't apply the one-drop rule to the family above, how do you then do it
to the other family below?

If the family below are also in that car driving down I-95 to Sarasota from South Orange, how are they viewed
"racially" in comparison to the family above?

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it's not goal post moving because in the USA by default, most people see fair skinned afro-europeans as "black" before they do "white" because there is no real "mixed" identity in the USA



Im multi gen admixed but Im 100% "black":troll:





nope...the first/earliest white looking afro europeans with a "black-negro" identity had nothing to do with a One Drop Rule because they pre-date the rule. You had people walking around as self identified "blacks-negros" way before the rule came about


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Robert Purvis (August 4, 1810 – April 15, 1898)



One-drop rule








new world blacks and old world africans they descend from are obviously no longer the same people. The same way new world black culture is creolized, their genetics are also creolized





the past shaped everything of today



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"mutts" aren't imposed on anyone. The USA census even has a mixed identification category:sas2:. It's just that even the mixed people aren't into it on a large/significant scale:pachaha:

The census is flawed..it asks what you are, and since people dont know what they truly are it doesn't work..
what it should do is ask what race your parents are and calculate from that..

Yes the past shaped everything today but we can undo all of that. if you're mixed you're mixed, nothing you can do about that. can't run from it or hide behind Black's to deny your European side. be proud of your white blood.

Yes in the US that is the standard. Gay marriage is also legal but that doesn't mean you and your boyfriend can apply that standard abroad where vast majority of the world lives. that racist one drop rule is only found in the US. in the UK for example you'd be legally referred to as mixed race, not 'multi generational admixed or cablinasian. Try tell a real African you Black with your white mother and he'll call you crazy.
The mixed fronting as Black doesn't work breh.

Nothing personal but you guys ain't Black. And actual Black's need to get serious and protect their identity. We are too welcoming and get fukked in the end always.

Africans welcomed Arabs and Europeans and got fukked.
African Americans welcomed white culture vultures and got fukked.
Now we welcoming the mixed and already they claiming Black so we fukked.
Why not just go and do your own thing as a mixed collective and develop your own identity.
 

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Are we sure that "most people" in 2017, have racial views akin to 1817 America?

yes

‘One-drop rule’ persists


Ho and colleagues presented subjects with computer-generated images of black-white and Asian-white individuals, as well as family trees showing different biracial permutations. They also asked people to report directly whether they perceived biracials to be more minority or white. By using multiple approaches, their work examined both conscious and unconscious perceptions of biracial individuals, presenting the most extensive empirical evidence to date on how they are perceived.

The researchers found, for example, that one-quarter-Asian individuals are consistently considered more white than one-quarter-black individuals, despite the fact that African Americans and European Americans share a substantial degree of genetic heritage.

Using face-morphing technology that presented a series of faces ranging from 5 percent white to 95 percent white, they also found that individuals who were a 50-50 mix of two races, either black-white or Asian-white, were almost never identified by study participants as white. Furthermore, on average, black-white biracials had to be 68 percent white before they were perceived as white; the comparable figure for Asian-white biracials was 63 percent.

“The United States is already a country of ethnic mixtures, but in the near future it will be even more so, and more so than any other country on earth,” says Banaji, Richard Clarke Cabot Professor of Social Ethics at Harvard. “When we see in our data that our own minds are limited in the perception of those who are the products of two different ethnic groups, we recognize how far we have to go in order to have an objectively accurate and fair assessment of people. That’s the challenge for modern minds.”

The team found few differences in how whites and non-whites perceive biracial individuals, with both assigning them with equal frequency to lower-status groups. The researchers are conducting further studies to examine why Americans continue to associate biracials more with their minority parent group.

“The persistence of hypodescent serves to reinforce racial boundaries, rather than moving us toward a race-neutral society,” Ho says.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2010/12/‘one-drop-rule’-persists/















Then what do we say about so-called "Hispanics" or "Latinos" now in the US, that feature basically
the same amount of African and European DNA admixture as many Black Americans?

Does "society" apply the old "one-drop-rule" to them, too?

If the family below, is driving in a car down I-95 from New Jersey to Florida, without any one knowing
their surname, are they seen as just a regular Black family headed down South?

Or are they "Hispanics" by sight?

Or, are they so average looking these days in an increasingly-mixed society, that no ones gives them a second thought one way or another about their lineage?


11f2f05ce57aaa30e016a185fd65ddda.jpg


And for those who don't apply the one-drop rule to the family above, how do you then do it
to the other family below?

If the family below are also in that car driving down I-95 to Sarasota from South Orange, how are they viewed
"racially" in comparison to the family above?

stephen-curry-01-300.jpg



here goes your answer:mjgrin:


People of Color Who Never Felt They Were Black


By Darryl Fears
Washington Post Staff Writer

At her small apartment near the National Cathedral in Northwest Washington, Maria Martins quietly watched as an African American friend
studied a picture of her mother. "Oh," the friend said, surprise in her voice. "Your mother is white."

She turned to Martins. "But you are black."

That came as news to Martins, a Brazilian who, for 30 years before immigrating to the United States, looked in the mirror and saw a morena
-- a woman with caramel-colored skin that is nearly equated with whiteness in Brazil and some other Latin American countries. "I didn't realize
I was black until I came here," she said.


That realization has come to hundreds of thousands of dark-complexioned immigrants to the United States from Brazil, Colombia, Panama
and other Latin nations with sizable populations of African descent. Although most do not identify themselves as black, they are seen that way
as soon as they set foot in North America.


Their reluctance to embrace this definition has left them feeling particularly isolated -- shunned by African Americans who believe they are
denying their blackness; by white Americans who profile them in stores or on highways; and by lighter-skinned Latinos whose images
dominate Spanish-language television all over the world, even though a majority of Latin people have some African or Indian ancestry.

The pressure to accept not only a new language and culture, but also a new racial identity, is a burden some darker-skinned Latinos say they
face every day.

"It's overwhelming," said Yvette Modestin, a dark-skinned native of Panama who works as an outreach coordinator in Boston. "There's not a
day that I don't have to explain myself."

E. Francisco Lopez, a Venezuelan-born attorney in Washington, said he had not heard the term "minority" before coming to America.

"I didn't know what it meant. I didn't accept it because I thought it meant 'less than,' " said Martins, whose father is black. " 'Where are you from?' they ask me. I say
I'm from Brazil. They say, 'No, you are from Africa.' They make me feel like I am denying who I am."

Exactly who these immigrants are is almost impossible to divine from the 2000 Census. Latinos of African, mestizo and European descent -- or any mixture of the
three -- found it hard to answer the question "What is your racial origin?"

Some of the nation's 35 million Latinos scribbled in the margins that they were Aztec or Mayan. A fraction said they were Indian. Nearly forty-eight percent
described themselves as white, and only 2 percent as black. Fully 42 percent said they were "some other race."

Between Black and White

Race matters in Latin America, but it matters differently.

Most South American nations barely have a black presence. In Argentina, Chile, Peru and Bolivia, there are racial tensions, but mostly between indigenous Indians
and white descendants of Europeans.

The black presence is stronger along the coasts of two nations that border the Caribbean Sea, Venezuela and Colombia -- which included Panama in the 19th
century -- along with Brazil, which snakes along the Atlantic coast. In many ways, those nations have more in common racially with Puerto Rico, Cuba and the
Dominican Republic than they do with the rest of South America.

This black presence is a legacy of slavery, just as it is in the United States. But the experience of race in the United States and in these Latin countries is separated by
how slaves and their descendants were treated after slavery was abolished.

In the United States, custom drew a hard line between black and white, and Jim Crow rules kept the races separate. The color line hardened to the point that it was
sanctioned in 1896 by the Supreme Court in its decision in Plessy v. Ferguson, which held that Homer Plessy, a white-complexioned Louisiana shoemaker, could
not ride in the white section of a train because a single ancestor of his was black.

Thus Americans with any discernible African ancestry -- whether they identified themselves as black or not -- were thrust into one category. One consequence is
that dark-complexioned and light-complexioned black people combined to campaign for equal rights, leading to the civil rights movement of the 1960s.


By contrast, the Latin countries with a sizable black presence had more various, and more fluid, experiences of race after slavery.

African slavery is as much a part of Brazil's history as it is of the United States's, said Sheila Walker, a visiting professor of anthropology at Spelman College in
Atlanta and editor of the book "African Roots/American Cultures." Citing the census in Brazil, she said that nation has more people of African descent than any other
in the world besides Nigeria, Africa's most populous country.

Brazil stands out in South America for that and other reasons. Unlike most nations there, its people speak Portuguese rather than Spanish, prompting a debate over
whether Brazil is part of the Latino diaspora.

Brazilian slavery ended in 1889 by decree, with no civil war and no Jim Crow -- and mixing between light- and dark-complexioned Indians, Europeans, Africans
and mulattoes was common and, in many areas, encouraged. Although discrimination against dark-complexioned Brazilians was clear, class played almost as
important a role as race.


American-influenced Cuba was also home to the Ku Klux Klan Kubano and other anti-black groups before Fidel Castro's revolution. Now, Cuban racism still
exists, some say, but black, mulatto and white people mix much more freely. Lopez, the Afro-Venezuelan lawyer, said, "Race doesn't affect us there the way it does
here," he said. "It's more of a class thing."

Jose Neinstein, a native white Brazilian and executive director of the Brazilian-American Cultural Institute in Washington, boiled down to the simplest terms how his
people are viewed. "In this country," he said, "if you are not quite white, then you are black." But in Brazil, he said, "If you are not quite black, then you are white."




Someone with Sidney Poitier's deep chocolate complexion would be considered white if his hair were straight and he made a living in a profession. That might not
seem so odd, Brazilians say, when you consider that the fair-complexioned actresses Rashida Jones of the television show "Boston Public" and Lena Horne are
identified as black in the United States.


Neinstein remembered talking with a man of Poitier's complexion during a visit to Brazil. "We were discussing ethnicity," Neinstein said, "and I asked him, 'What do
you think about this from your perspective as a black man?' He turned his head to me and said, 'I'm not black,' " Neinstein recalled. " . . . It simply paralyzed me
. I
couldn't ask another question."

By the same token, Neinstein said, he never perceived brown-complexioned people such as Maria Martins, who works at the cultural institute, as black. One day,
when an African American custodian in his building referred to one of his brown-skinned secretaries as "the black lady," Neinstein was confused. "I never looked at
that woman as black," he said. "It was quite a revelation to me."

Those perceptions come to the United States with the light- and dark-complexioned Latinos who carry them. But here, they collide with two contradictory forces:
North American prejudice and African American pride.

'I've Learned to Be Proud'

Vilson DaSilva, a native of Brazil, is a moreno. Like his wife, Maria Martins, he was born to a black father and a white mother. But their views on race seem to
differ.

During an interview when Martins said she had no idea how they had identified themselves on the 2000 Census form, DaSilva rolled his eyes. "I said we were
black,"
he said.

He is one of a growing number of Latin immigrants of African descent who identify themselves as Afro-Latino, along the same color spectrum as African Americans.

"I've learned to be proud of my color," he said
. For that, he thanked African American friends who stand up for equal rights.



DaSilva agreed that nuances separate African Americans and Afro-Latinos, but he also believes that seeing Latin America through African American eyes gave him a
better perspective. Unfortunately, he said, it also made him angrier and more stressed.

When DaSilva returned to Brazil for a visit, he asked questions he had never asked, and got answers that shocked him.

His mother told him why her father didn't speak to her for 18 years: "It was because she married a black man," he said. One day, DaSilva's own father pulled him
aside to provide his son some advice. " 'You can play around with whoever you want,' " DaSilva recalled his father saying, " 'but marry your own kind.' " So DaSilva
married Martins, the morena of his dreams.

She is dreaming of a world with fewer racial barriers, a world she believes she left in Brazil to be with her husband in Washington.

As Martins talked about the nation's various racial blends in her living room, her 18-month-old son sat in front of the television, watching a Disney cartoon called
"The Proud Family," about a merged black American and black Latino family. The characters are intelligent, whimsical, thoughtful, funny, with skin tones that range
from light to dark brown.

The DaSilvas said they would never see such a show on Latin American TV.


Martins said her perspective on race was slowly conforming to the American view, but it saddened her. She doesn't understand why she can't call a pretty black girl
a negrita, the way Latin Americans always say it, with affection. She doesn't understand why she has to say she's black, seeming to deny the existence of her
mother.

"Sometimes I say she is black on the outside and white on the inside," DaSilva said of his wife, who threw her head back and laughed.

People of Color Who Never Felt They Were Black

 

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The census is flawed..it asks what you are, and since people dont know what they truly are it doesn't work..
what it should do is ask what race your parents are and calculate from that..


they do



Yes the past shaped everything today but we can undo all of that. if you're mixed you're mixed, nothing you can do about that. can't run from it or hide behind Black's to deny your European side. be proud of your white blood.

"black" in the usa is an inclusive term...it doesn't mean "pure" african but of african descent

Yes in the US that is the standard. Gay marriage is also legal but that doesn't mean you and your boyfriend can apply that standard abroad where vast majority of the world lives. t

stop it


that racist one drop rule is only found in the US.

other places have one drop rules in reverse:usure: but the USA's version is catching on in other places:mjgrin:

in the UK for example you'd be legally referred to as mixed race, not 'multi generational admixed or cablinasian. Try tell a real African you Black with your white mother and he'll call you crazy.
The mixed fronting as Black doesn't work breh.

this isn't quite true...westernized continental africans do follow the American One Drop Rule


Nothing personal but you guys ain't Black. And actual Black's need to get serious and protect their identity. We are too welcoming and get fukked in the end always.

aframs invented the modern concept of "black":stopitslime:

Africans welcomed Arabs and Europeans and got fukked.
African Americans welcomed white culture vultures and got fukked.
Now we welcoming the mixed and already they claiming Black so we fukked.
Why not just go and do your own thing as a mixed collective and develop your own identity.

the identity is afroamerican coupled with the inclusive term, "black":dwillhuh::gucci:
 
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