Thinking Basketball: Steph Curry & Draymond Green are an all-time duo

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I've been saying it for a long damn time: having Steph is essentially having an extra man on offense, and having Dray is essentially having an extra man on defense. The probability of the two most impactful players ever on their respective ends would end up together and stay together is incalculable, even more so when you take into account the chemistry they have, where it seems like their minds are intertwined.

They play one game, and everyone else is playing another.

It's a cheat code that nobody has been able to break. We'll never see anything like it again, well, not in our lifetime.

:laff:I think you have them confused with the refs
 

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I was just discussing this with the homie after Game 6, that a lot of the pushback to Steph's and Dray's greatness is there's no prototype for either of them.

A lot of the hate comes from a place of not understanding how to scale their impact.

We've all been conditioned by great players monopolizing the ball, their style of play and the volume of box score stats that come naturally with that, so when a player like Steph comes along and has all this success playing without needing to be all up in the videos with the ball in his hands, it's hard for folks to contextualize that. Which only leads them to falling into the trap of believing that it must not be because of him, which is only magnified by the fact he's a undersized guard who's not ultra-athletic (conventional wisdom is wings/bigs are the ones who have the most impact on the game).

Same goes for Draymond. His lack of an offensive skillset has always been at the forefront when discussing his game, but I put it down to folks resorting to jokes about it to cover up not knowing why he's historically great, even when he's not a scoring threat. We've all been conditioned by great defensive players in 1v1 situations; ISO has predominately been the main source of offense since the inception of the sport. It's only in recent times where the NBA has been a positionless state where defending your matchup isn't the be-all and end-all. Now, with the freedom that players have, Draymond doesn't just defend his opposite, but he defends 1-5, he defends all PnR actions, he defends multiple players in the same possession (some times multiple players at once), he directs traffic telling his teammates where to be, he protects the rim while simultaneously defending the perimeter, he'll snuff out actions before a team even has a chance to execute them. Every single imaginable act on defense - Draymond can do it. But because nobody in NBA history has done that before, folks don't understand how to measure his impact, which like Steph, is only magnified by the fact he's an undersized big who's not ultra-athletic.

They've both broken the scale on how we judge players. It's why the arguments against them are more reflective of a lack of understanding on how two undersized, lesser-athletic players, who have no predecessor, can be this successful.

When I tell guys Draymond is more talented defensively than Worm for these very reasons, they laugh & call me crazy

Draymond is a unicorn defensively. No one can do what he does yr after yr
 

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When I tell guys Draymond is more talented defensively than Worm for these very reasons, they laugh & call me crazy

Draymond is a unicorn defensively. No one can do what he does yr after yr
Its just pure nostalgia. Dray is 5x the defender Rodman was. Dray is up there with the likes of Duncan, Hakeem, Ben Wallace etc
 
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draymond green is a high iq player with zero ego that played with 2 of the best shooters of all time(steph and klay) and Kevin Durant. draymond doesn’t try to prove he’s as good as them like most players would. He’s so much more smarter then most players on the floor you can see it . Whenever a player does the same move more then twice you can see draymond lurking to strip it the 3rd time that’s just one example I thought of on the top of my head . He handled business and did what he was supposed to do. 4 rings and got paid .

shyt skill set as a offensive player though

Zero ego?

He said he was a more impactful player Charles Barkley :mjlol:

When Steph got hurt all of draymonds “all time impact” went out the window and everyone was clowning him

Take away Steph and draymond is Royce white with a podcast :hubie:
 
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