They really need to put an end to the “Next Jordan” marketing model

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That's what really happened, the next Jordan came before MJ actually left. Did he reach MJs level? No but he came pretty damn close in the grand scheme of things. Made it seem like the next generational perimeter player with style and skill was just around the corner. Now here we are 25 years later and he's still the only one to come close

they talking this next jordan shyt cuz they dont wanna accept Kobe was that in the first place. They wanted to pivot to Bron and even Kawhi but no one has been buying it, and instead of moving on they're doing it with Ant now instead of just letting it rest at Kobe. He's the only one who got to play against MJ and get feedback from MJ in real time.
 

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Because Jordan had an impact on pop culture that no other NBA player will ever be able to compete with. The world just isn’t the same as it once was.


Yup it's not just on the court, it's shoes too. MJ is literally at the crux of both basketball AND sneakerhead discourse. He's just ingrained in pop culture in a way that'll never be replicated. MJ just showed up the right time and into the right situatio to capitalize.
 
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they talking this next jordan shyt cuz they dont wanna accept Kobe was that in the first place. They wanted to pivot to Bron and even Kawhi but no one has been buying it, and instead of moving on they're doing it with Ant now instead of just letting it rest at Kobe. He's the only one who got to play against MJ and get feedback from MJ in real time.

Amazing how you overlook the disdain people had for him for a good portion of his career for not living up to MJ’s expectations. They werent viewed as peers like you’re pretending now.
 

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the only part that pissed me off about Ant's next Jordan push was that it happened while he was in the middle of a great run. Usually guys get that moniker after winning already or putting in some work on a consistent basis. it was super forced.
The media fukked it up because it was really a joke.

He looks like michael Jordan but no one was saying he was him until the media clamped on it. (And really, he looks like Dominique Wilkins)
 

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We gotta keep it a buck...people, including many that swear they are hoop heads, dont actually like basketball. They like Mike, or rather the idea of Mike or how he made them feel as a kid. NBA was on tape delay before Bird/Magic came along. They brought people in, not the game itself. Everybody would be compared to them if Mike hadnt come along. Mike is Terry the Racist (Hogan) and despite Kobe and Brons best efforts no Stone Cold/Rock has come along yet.

People actually fukk with football. They will watch whoever play whoever and its ok if they arent Joe Montana or Jerry Rice or Reggie White. They like the game not the characters, ideals that were presented before they were born or able to understand the game.

People even let boxers be themselves. You dont have to be Ali or Tyson.

For some reason basketball "fans" are determined to be miserable and hate the game they claim to love and chew the players up and spit them out before they even get started. We really more invested in Jordan's (and now Kobe) legacy than just enjoying the game for what it is now. shyt is so ingrained, I doubt it will ever change now.
 

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In today's NBA landscape, it seems like if a player isn't on the path to becoming the next Michael Jordan, they don't get much attention. But shouldn't we also be making comparisons to other legends like Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, or Tracy McGrady? Athletic big men, for instance, should be measured against Kevin Garnett, prime Amar'e Stoudemire, or Tim Duncan. And let's not forget about the next Shaquille O'Neal or Hakeem Olajuwon.

Take, for example, Anthony Edwards, a rising star with the Minnesota Timberwolves. He's averaging 24.6 points, 5.8 rebounds, and 4.4 assists per game this season. Impressive stats for a young player, no doubt, but is it fair to compare him to Michael Jordan already? In my opinion, you can't mention anyone in the same breath as MJ until they've secured at least three championships and multiple MVP awards. Edwards should be compared to young Vince Carter or Tracy McGrady—players who, like him, had incredible athleticism and talent but didn't win a ring.

These premature comparisons to Jordan can undermine the careers of other great players. For instance, Kobe Bryant, with his five championships and two Finals MVPs, is often overlooked in these discussions. Many young stars today grew up idolizing Kobe, yet sports media rarely makes those comparisons.

We need to give due credit to the achievements of past legends before we jump straight to MJ comparisons.
 

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Kobe made sense because he modeled his game after MJ and even MJ his views Kobe as his true successor.

Peak LeBron is more like a Wilt/Magic/Malone hybrid. A true 1 of 1. He's a freak athlete like Wilt...oversized PG like Magic but in the body of Karl Malone. The comp to MJ never made sense.

Luka - he's the Euro Larry Bird. Talks shyt, not a freak athlete but dude just makes shyt happen. Him, Jokic and Giannis will keep global fans engaged.

The next great American? Therein lies the conundrum the NBA is facing. There are a lot of really good young American players but are any of them in the ballpark of Luka/Jokic if we're being 100% honest?

Millenials (1981 to 1996) produced a shytload of elite American ballers (KD, Steph, LeBron, Kawhi, Harden, Westbrook, Melo, Dwight etc)....and foreign ballers (Jokic/Giannis). Gen Z has their foreign MJ in Luka but we ain't got the domestic one yet.
We should debating if ant is better than Ja, let’s stop comparing 22 year olds to guys who’s career has already finished.

While we add it MJ/kobe fans are never going to agree that Bron is better than them so let’s also put that debate to bed. We don’t even have a clear understanding of how we rank greatness in the first place
 

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Ba
Ba-bam
Ba- bam.

You not gon be dope.

Trying to front and not studying the tapes.
That goes for any and all time of greats.


All that aau shyt, and court time ain't shyt.

Till you study dem tapes.

simple as that.
It is the way.
you think it is done.

Then there is the way..
It is done.

It will not get done.

till you understand. Why the goat argument was misappropriated from bill russell.
for bird.

Then mike studied the misappropriated bird goat argument. Then bested that.


Till nggaz do their due dilligence.

they will continue to fail.
Simple as that.

study film.

it should be nikkaz who expert study of film.

go watch the dope players and steal moves. Plus learn to recognize and execute.
You can not recognize or be great.
Till you study and can recognize the time to be great.


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Ba
Ba-bam
Ba- bam.

You not gon be dope.

Trying to front and not studying the tapes.
That goes for any and all time of greats.


All that aau shyt, and court time ain't shyt.

Till you study dem tapes.

simple as that.
It is the way.
you think it is done.

Then there is the way..
It is done.

It will not get done.

till you understand. Why the goat argument was misappropriated from bill russell.
for bird.

Then mike studied the misappropriated bird goat argument. Then bested that.


Till nggaz do their due dilligence.

they will continue to fail.
Simple as that.

study film.

it should be nikkaz who expert study of film.

go watch the dope players and steal moves. Plus learn to recognize and execute.
You can not recognize or be great.
Till you study and can recognize the time to be great.


Art Barr
Yeap. And nikkas want to act clueless as to why he's been drawing the comps and pretend Ant has no doing in so, but ignore completely Ant going for the LOOK. He didn't come in rocking the elbow and calf sleeves , he just went to that. All that plays a factor....and you're right, seems he took a shortcut and ain't really been in the film room, or shown how to watch it. This is the pupil Kobe really needed instead of them other frauds waving the banner.

Still have faith in his upside tho. But as you keep saying, he got to study the tapes man. Every bit the ability there
 

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Yeap. And nikkas want to act clueless as to why he's been drawing the comps and pretend Ant has no doing in so, but ignore completely Ant going for the LOOK. He didn't come in rocking the elbow and calf sleeves , he just went to that. All that plays a factor....and you're right, seems he took a shortcut and ain't really been in the film room, or shown how to watch it. This is the pupil Kobe really needed instead of them other frauds waving the banner.

Still have faith in his upside tho. But as you keep saying, he got to study the tapes man. Every bit the ability there



After kobe.
There is no mystery.

I really want this kid, antman, to be great.

I want all these kids to be greats.

Yet I do not think they realize.

What they are up against.
There exist an entire thing.
made to stop any kid.
Who could be like Mike. Not to mention.. it is evolved. To such a progression. 'Dey'...the quote in quote dey.
Have a play.
or numerous plays from different arrays. Whether in play as legal. to illegal. To racist virtually exists. To keep that star from being like Mike.

So you have to study the film.
To know the slick and what the next counter is .
to what will be put in that players way as an obstacle.
That is why you have to become an Incredible study of film.
As they have a plan for you.
Plus to stop any young man.

Who even remotely mirrors.
what jordan is.

Not to mention....just grassroots.
Other players are out to hurt you. At least in my era.

You could have been the little kid from fresh. All because you had 'it'.
Then never make it to the organized game.

That is why it is important to dig in the crate.
To become familiar with recognizing. What it takes to be great and overcome.

As trying to be the best player. Who is related to being mike.

You are up against a whole world of evolved preset setbacks. That only becoming well versed.
in what the goat endured.
is imperative to survival.
Not just success,......survival.

You could have died in my era.
For being jordan nice.
So you need to know how and what to recognize. Just to live.

Not just to showcase greatness.
Like learning and watching. How mike got up from all those badboys slams. shyt the second game of Jordan's career. He takes a hellafied bump. Then professionally gets up.
then gets back to showcasing.
what we would all taut.
as the greatest at being great and showcasing greatness.

You need that in your braintrust.
you need to.
be able to be cognitive.
of what that is.
to be successful.
Plus how to remain professional.
then dominate to a close.
You can not be great.
Without this film study of Michael jeffrey jordan.



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A large portion of NBA fans, media members and former players refuse to let the game grow beyond Jordan/Kobe mythology. They refuse to let players be themselves and let their careers play out naturally. Literally evening they do gets compared to those two players. For better or worse.
 
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