They called this one of the worst Hiphop songs 25 years ago, now it’s trending on Twitter

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

Trash then, trash now, trash album.

This will NEVER change. Get the fukk over it.

At least somebody in this thread has some goddamn sense.

N*ggas talking about "it was a hit", like that somehow improves the quality of a song. It was a party/club record pushed heavily by his label and got a ton of video/radio play yet somehow "the streets" were responsible for its popularity. Because when you think of "the streets", a Timbaland club beat with Ginuwine crooning on the chorus is obviously the first thing we correlate with being "street".



Oochie Wally is a bit different. I know plenty of cats from "the streets" who fukked with that song strictly because the production was a head nodder.

 

[The Villain]

You Owe Me was never bad. People was just dragging it because it was Nas. I remember as kids we loved that and Oochie Wally.
It wasn't until i got older and got on the internet that I realized folks hated those songs.

 

[delnegro]

It was never considered one of the worst Hip Hop songs, I’ve never heard anyone offline hate on the song.

 

[DapMeUp!]

Still goes off till this day in the old skool set at a function

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Why did it and oochie wally get so much hate back in the day?

Because back then the image you came in with had to be maintained. Anything that felt like deviation was lambasted

 

[JustCKing]

I was always neutral on this song. But some of y’all definitely on some revisionist history shyt acting like only “real hip hop heads” wasn’t fukking with it. Yea the ladies loved it. And if you were at a party or the club it was cool. nikkas had kinda stopped checking for Nas a little bit around this time which is why Takeover hit as hard as it did becuz a lot of folks felt that way. The Roc, DMX, the Lox, Mobb Deep, Chronic 2001 was what was really running the streets. I always thought You Owe Me sounded forced and there were way more songs out in 99-2000 that hit harder in a club/party setting like Vivrant Thing for example

The revision is this post. Nas was still huge in 1999. "Takeover" was two years later and moreso addresses where Nas was in 2000 and 2001. There was no Nas album and his most recent song was "Oochie Wally". "Takeover" addressed that song and it was "Blueprint 2" that talked about "You Owe Me" and even then he never said the song was wack, but used it to attempt to paint Nas as contradictory.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

You Owe Me & OW were reminiscent to that actor who was white hot and could do no wrong but took a couple of pay days that people went to see due to the person’s cache. Maybe people fukked with the movie in the moment but after a couple of duds those very same movies get lumped into why so & so ain’t hitting anymore

Both those songs are cool songs for what they were but they were easily weaponized when it was time to have the “Nas Fell Off” conversation but 00-Early 01

 

[Mike Wins]

The revision is this post. Nas was still huge in 1999. "Takeover" was two years later and moreso addresses where Nas was in 2000 and 2001. There was no Nas album and his most recent song was "Oochie Wally". "Takeover" addressed that song and it was "Blueprint 2" that talked about "You Owe Me" and even then he never said the song was wack, but used it to attempt to paint Nas as contradictory.

I Am was a big time album spring and summer 1999, they just stopped promoting it past the opening week. But no doubt Nas was at the peak of his popularity at that point.

Nastradamus got a collective shrug. Outside the internet it wasn't seen as the worst shyt ever, just a mediocre album that got buried by Dre and DMX albums. Then he laid low most of 2000.

You Owe Me was a minor hit. Oochie Wally was actually a smash that got crazy play. Wasn't even a Nas track, he just hopped on the single version to raise the profile and it worked. Dumbed it down to double his weed carriers dollars

 

[re'up]

What was the Nas one from the Big Mommas House SDTK, around 200? "I've Got To Have It"

He def. was indulging in some 'water down over proof thug shyt' around 2000

His bars post I Am were kinda light.

 

[Mike Wins]

What was the Nas one from the Big Mommas House SDTK, around 200? "I've Got To Have It"

He def. was indulging in some 'water down over proof thug shyt' around 2000

His bars post I Am were kinda light.

I remember that shyt, was not great. But at the same time in 2000 he dropped these verses and some classic material on the QB comp. But he always got held to a different standard, he was the only major label rapper that wasn't allowed to play the game everyone else played

 

[Tasha And]

I love Nas but I had the version of Oochie Wally without him on it and I always bumped that one

 

[BmoreGorilla]

The revision is this post. Nas was still huge in 1999. "Takeover" was two years later and moreso addresses where Nas was in 2000 and 2001. There was no Nas album and his most recent song was "Oochie Wally". "Takeover" addressed that song and it was "Blueprint 2" that talked about "You Owe Me" and even then he never said the song was wack, but used it to attempt to paint Nas as contradictory.

Where is the revision? Everything I said was facts


People had started to move on from Nas a little bit and he was still living off Illmatic and to a lesser extent IWW. Jay didn’t just address where Nas was in 2000 and 2001. He broke down his whole career up to that point. Even talked about how he sampled his voice back in 96

 

[JustCKing]

Where is the revision? Everything I said was facts


People had started to move on from Nas a little bit and he was still living off Illmatic and to a lesser extent IWW. Jay didn’t just address where Nas was in 2000 and 2001. He broke down his whole career up to that point. Even talked about how he sampled his voice back in 96

The revision is that Nas wasn't still huge in 1999 or that people stopped checking for him.

 

[JustCKing]

What was the Nas one from the Big Mommas House SDTK, around 200? "I've Got To Have It"

He def. was indulging in some 'water down over proof thug shyt' around 2000

His bars post I Am were kinda light.

That song definitely was confusing because unlike "You Owe Me" or "Oochie Wally", it missed on all fronts. Between Nastradamus and Stillmatic, Nas wasn't feeding the streets outside of the Wu verse, the "Stillmatic" freestyle, and some of the stuff that was on mixtapes.

Nas was pretty much doing a lot of R&B collabos and commercially, this is Nas from late '99-2001:

Hot Boyz Remix
Nastradamus
You Owe Me
Thank God I Found You (remix)
I Got To Have It
Oochie Wally

 

[Ziggiy]

What was the Nas one from the Big Mommas House SDTK, around 200? "I've Got To Have It"

He def. was indulging in some 'water down over proof thug shyt' around 2000

His bars post I Am were kinda light.

Ain’t no WAY you can listen to QB Finest, which came out in 2000, and say Nas bars were “light”