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.... This whole post makes no sense. I will address the part in bold.

1) The Palestinians who are actually alive today, have not lost land. The Palestinians fighting today have not lost land. In fact, the Palestinians today have governmental control over more territory than at any time during history.
2) Their human rights are determined mostly by their governments, who force Israel into wars and security measures which is a strain on Israel, and Israel would rather not deal with, but has to.
3) Gaza is not a concentration camp. It is one of the most densely populated places on earth. But Singapore and Hong Kong are more densely populated. Are they concentration camps too? Gazans are free to leave through Egypt, if they would like to travel somewhere. Not to mention, Concentration camps typically don't have amusement parks, water parks, olympic sized swimming pools, luxury hotels and shopping malls, and beauty spas. The term "concentration camp" is only used to spite the Jews for their struggle in the holocaust, and is completely emotional with no factual basis.



Not even Republican breh.

Youre wrong and clearly some type of Jews sympathizer. During the 2nd world war, Palestine was inhabited by Palestinians. After the war, the Jews decided they needed a permanent home and thus began the process of settling in Palestine. They considered it their ancestral land, and used that pretext to settle and displace people. Infact, some argue most Israelis have no genetic or historic ties to the area. Many Jews are American and European, and get free citizenship there. The State of Israel gives Jews from anywhere in the world free access to Israel in order to defeat the Palestinians by population.
If I were to lock you and your whole family in a bathroom, I shouldnt be surprised if you kick the door down. Thats what the Palestinians are doing and being told to just hang on. Israel is committing acts of atrocity and genocide, the same treatment handed to them by Germans. Then they claim Hamas is hiding amonst women and children, like where the fukk are they supposed to fight seeing as theres no space in Gaza. You cant help but sit next to a thousand people.
 

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i'm sayin doe... some of these chicks are kinda cute but in a not so human way. am i the only one looking at them like :what: are these chicks real life barbies? up there going hard for the killing of the innocent. now do i understand the logic behind "dont let some terrorist hide behind civilians. yes. but when you have the kind of capabilities that israel does and the minimal life loss and injury(not counting troops. you have to ask yourself, whats the point in blowing up an entire school more or less? are you really playing wack-a-mole with an atom bomb? whats the end game with that mentality?
not only fox news.. it's all over the media. most of them are c00ning for zionists for job security. they have to find something to justify their stance.

that's what happens when you work on a zionist plantation. it ain't about right or wrong.. you gotta think about survival and feeding your family..
a lot of these gentiles have worked too hard to get to where ever they are to lose their spot over palestine. cnn already threw one of their bytches to the bushes.
 

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I haven't thought about Fox News in a while...cancelling cable pushed it further!

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Lawyers are not stupid, if they did not mean forcible transfer, couldn't they have used clearer language, like "allow their civilians to be transferred" ? Your argument is convincing to me, so I will concede.

Regardless, the article does not apply to the Israeli situation is that occupation occurs when the party in control was not given consent. The Palestinians not only gave Israel consent but signed a legal agreement that Israel has the right to control the areas.

Ahh I was waiting for this... the new angle. To address what you said first... they don't have to use clearer language because it is not for laymen... it is for people who understand the law. And unless otherwise explicitly defined, the law is as it is written and it is law to the signatories which include Israel. Your argument is "if they meant x, they would have wrote it more clearly for people to understand" and my argument is "they wrote x, so it is x". Which argument is more rational?
 
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Youre wrong and clearly some type of Jews sympathizer. During the 2nd world war, Palestine was inhabited by Palestinians. After the war, the Jews decided they needed a permanent home and thus began the process of settling in Palestine.

Already wrong. Zionism began long before the holocaust. This is a fact.

They considered it their ancestral land, and used that pretext to settle and displace people.

Also incorrect. The reason Arabs were displaced were because of the violence they started, not because Jews considered Israel their "ancestral land." There is no evidence to support that Jews used their ancestral ties to Israel as a pretext for displacement, only as a pretext to declare independence.

If I were to lock you and your whole family in a bathroom, I shouldnt be surprised if you kick the door down.

If you locked me in there because I declared that I want to murder you and all your people, I shouldn't be surprised I was locked in a bathroom.

Thats what the Palestinians are doing and being told to just hang on. Israel is committing acts of atrocity and genocide,

Except that the Palestinian population is GROWING, and one of the fastest growing populations in the world.

the same treatment handed to them by Germans.

Really? Let's analyze this

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Then they claim Hamas is hiding amonst women and children, like where the fukk are they supposed to fight seeing as theres no space in Gaza. You cant help but sit next to a thousand people.

Actually, there is lots of space in Gaza.

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Hamas does not by any means have to shoot from schools and hospitals, breh.


Not to mention............ You didn't address a single point in my previous post. Here they were.


1) The Palestinians who are actually alive today, have not lost land. The Palestinians fighting today have not lost land. In fact, the Palestinians today have governmental control over more territory than at any time during history.
2) Their human rights are determined mostly by their governments, who force Israel into wars and security measures which is a strain on Israel, and Israel would rather not deal with, but has to.
3) Gaza is not a concentration camp. It is one of the most densely populated places on earth. But Singapore and Hong Kong are more densely populated. Are they concentration camps too? Gazans are free to leave through Egypt, if they would like to travel somewhere. Not to mention, Concentration camps typically don't have amusement parks, water parks, olympic sized swimming pools, luxury hotels and shopping malls, and beauty spas. The term "concentration camp" is only used to spite the Jews for their struggle in the holocaust, and is completely emotional with no factual basis
 
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Ahh I was waiting for this... the new angle. To address what you said first... they don't have to use clearer language because it is not for laymen... it is for people who understand the law.

It is vague even for people who do understand the law.

And unless otherwise explicitly defined, the law is as it is written and it is law to the signatories which include Israel. Your argument is "if they meant x, they would have wrote it more clearly for people to understand" and my argument is "they wrote x, so it is x". Which argument is more rational?

? I'm conceding that in regard to forcible transfers your argument is more valid than mine. In fact, it is no longer my argument, I am rescinding it and agreeing with you.

If this second part that I quoted refers to my other "angle," then I don't understand what it is that you're trying to say.
 

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It is vague even for people who do understand the law.



? I'm conceding that in regard to forcible transfers your argument is more valid than mine. In fact, it is no longer my argument, I am rescinding it and agreeing with you.

If this second part that I quoted refers to my other "angle," then I don't understand what it is that you're trying to say.

Okay I understand now. I'll have to do some research as to the other argument you made as it raises some interesting questions that I do not have the answer to. I apologize for my harsh tone as this is a very charged discussion. However you do post here with a very condescending and dismissive tone from time to time. To give background to my positions, I support Israel and it's continued existence and hope for a lasting peace involving the Jewish State, despite my views on it's dubious origins (another debate). However, I feel that the settlements in the West Bank and occupation and defacto control of Gaza threaten to end Israel as we know it and threaten to create a new political entity in the region. Israel can't uphold it's legal and political institutions if they have millions of residents who will unvariably have unequal rights. There is no way they will absorb Palestinians in the one state solution and give them equal voting rights, as they will make Israel no longer a Jewish state. The best solution for Israel is to give up all but the largest settlements and give back the rest of the land to the Palestinians, lest they risk their own destruction. Of course not violent destruction, but political destruction, which is a growing risk given the rise of nationalism in Israel.

What do you think is an equitable and viable solution to the dispute?
 
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Okay I understand now. I'll have to do some research as to the other argument you made as it raises some interesting questions that I do not have the answer to. I apologize for my harsh tone as this is a very charged discussion. However you do post here with a very condescending and dismissive tone from time to time.

Most of the time. Only because nobody actually responds to the content of my posts, and people in this message board hold their opinions on Israel to "fit in" and don't actually care if what they're saying is true or not.

To give background to my positions, I support Israel and it's continued existence and hope for a lasting peace involving the Jewish State, despite my views on it's dubious origins (another debate). However, I feel that the settlements in the West Bank and occupation and defacto control of Gaza threaten to end Israel as we know it and threaten to create a new political entity in the region. Israel can't uphold it's legal and political institutions if they have millions of residents who will unvariably have unequal rights. There is no way they will absorb Palestinians in the one state solution and give them equal voting rights, as they will make Israel no longer a Jewish state. The best solution for Israel is to give up all but the largest settlements and give back the rest of the land to the Palestinians, lest they risk their own destruction. Of course not violent destruction, but political destruction, which is a growing risk given the rise of nationalism in Israel.

It sounds like you're saying Palestinians are residents of Israel? They really are not. The occupation is a pretty low-level occupation. The Palestinians are a self-governed nation with their own legal system, police force, courts, etc -- the control Israel exercises would not make the Palestinians "their residents" (except for East Jerusalem, but they are offered citizenship anyway). A lot of people say this situation is not sustainable for Israel, but it actually is. As long as Palestinians have elections, are governing themselves, and are issuing their own passports - Israel is under no obligation to treat them as their own citizens (as they are already citizens of the PA).

What do you think is an equitable and viable solution to the dispute?

At the current state, there isn't any solution that would actually result in actual peace. A peace treaty can be signed, but it has 0 chances of lasting because Palestinian kids are raised in a culture that teaches them to strive for terrorism. Note, that doesn't mean they all Palestinian adults teach this to their children, but this is the message that children there get from cartoons, the media, summer camps and street names being named after terrorists, cartoons, textbooks, I can go on and on. Israel and Abbas can sign an agreement tomorrow, and it won't hold up. From my view, the only peace deal that would have a chance of lasting is one that would follow a de-radicalization of those harmful elements of Palestinian culture.
 

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That's how they do it. Trot out a minority to take a hard line, ridiculous position that a white man wouldn't be able to get away with without people saying "smh that's racist/bullshyt/nonsense/etc." They trot out Allen West to shyt on Obama, they trot out Hermain Cain to shyt on black people, they trot out various women to shyt on women, etc.
 

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Most of the time. Only because nobody actually responds to the content of my posts, and people in this message board hold their opinions on Israel to "fit in" and don't actually care if what they're saying is true or not.



It sounds like you're saying Palestinians are residents of Israel? They really are not. The occupation is a pretty low-level occupation. The Palestinians are a self-governed nation with their own legal system, police force, courts, etc -- the control Israel exercises would not make the Palestinians "their residents" (except for East Jerusalem, but they are offered citizenship anyway). A lot of people say this situation is not sustainable for Israel, but it actually is. As long as Palestinians have elections, are governing themselves, and are issuing their own passports - Israel is under no obligation to treat them as their own citizens (as they are already citizens of the PA).



At the current state, there isn't any solution that would actually result in actual peace. A peace treaty can be signed, but it has 0 chances of lasting because Palestinian kids are raised in a culture that teaches them to strive for terrorism. Note, that doesn't mean they all Palestinian adults teach this to their children, but this is the message that children there get from cartoons, the media, summer camps and street names being named after terrorists, cartoons, textbooks, I can go on and on. Israel and Abbas can sign an agreement tomorrow, and it won't hold up. From my view, the only peace deal that would have a chance of lasting is one that would follow a de-radicalization of those harmful elements of Palestinian culture.

Well lets think about this step by step

For one, I don't know how this is a "low-level occupation" I think a more correct characterization is that it is a brutal occupation. If they Palestinians are in fact a self governed nation, why do they not have any sovereignty, land rights, borders, or military? They absolutely cannot resist their Israeli overlords in any case, and their self defense force is only allowed to respond after Israeli soldiers have left. So even if they continued the status quo and the Palestinians got a "state", it would still be wholly dominated by Israel with Israeli's having freedom of movement through Palestine and Palestinians not having freedom to move through Israel. It would still have IDF presence within its borders and IDF checkpoints. It would maintain the Jewish only highways that carve the map up and the encroaching settlements. Palestinians would not control their water supply. They would still not have control over their own borders and they would be unable to repatriate their expelled civilians.

So even under international law, if the Palestinians had a state, it would still be occupied by Israel in perpetuity, therefore further facilitating conflict. The parameters I am using for this Palestinian state are the offers made by Israel in the peace process, which is why the Palestinians had to reject it. After the Camp David Accords, a top Israeli negotiator said that if he were Arafat, he wouldn't take that deal either, and Camp David is widely regarded as the best deal ever offered to the Palestinians.

What kind of state is a state that is non contiguous and carved up by private access highways and settlements? The international community would obviously not be fooled by such a farce and recognize that obviously this is a continuation of the occupation and so many prominent Israeli right wingers have abandoned this idea, including Bibi.

So that leaves us with the One State Solution which I've already said will turn Israel into an Apartheid state and lead to the death of it's legitimacy as a state; the death of "Israel" as we know it.

as far as your take on a solution, I feel that any emphasis on the culture of Palestinians is pretty thin at this point. I mean the Palestinians in the West Bank constitute the majority and haven't taken up arms against Israel in over a decade. Any type of solution that entails an ideological reshaping of the people seems to be moving the goal posts ad infintium. Your solution is literally that Palestinians should somehow be brainwashed from their current mind state to a new mind state, regardless of what that mind state is this seems to be completely unattainable and sets no time frame for something that feasibly could take a hundred years. On the converse, Israel was formed by terrorist groups like Irgun, of which some early Prime Ministers came and has now become Likud (by all accounts). Irgun wanted to create a Jewish State with the biblical borders that included Jordan, parts of Lebanon, and parts of Syria. And of course they committed terrorist acts against innocent people, just like Hamas. So this idea that Hamas are unreasonable maniac's due to their medieval religion is in my view not grounded in reality. Even their demands for a ceasefire we're not unreasonable although you can argue they were untenable given the situation.

The fact of the matter is, you may not understand it now, but I am more in favor of Israel than you are. You don't seem to like Israel but may sadly be partial to Jewish supremacy, which is not unfortunately for you what Israel is supposed to be. The further Israel deviates away from it's own laws, courts, international law, etc is the closer Israel gets to becoming a whole new entity very different than the one imagined by it's founders. The IDF will never be defeated in the battlefield but as it's appetite becomes more voracious it is defeating itself.
 
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Well lets think about this step by step

For one, I don't know how this is a "low-level occupation" I think a more correct characterization is that it is a brutal occupation. If they Palestinians are in fact a self governed nation, why do they not have any sovereignty, land rights, borders, or military? They absolutely cannot resist their Israeli overlords in any case, and their self defense force is only allowed to respond after Israeli soldiers have left. So even if they continued the status quo and the Palestinians got a "state", it would still be wholly dominated by Israel with Israeli's having freedom of movement through Palestine and Palestinians not having freedom to move through Israel. It would still have IDF presence within its borders and IDF checkpoints.Palestinians would not control their water supply. They would still not have control over their own borders and they would be unable to repatriate their expelled civilians.

So even under international law, if the Palestinians had a state, it would still be occupied by Israel in perpetuity, therefore further facilitating conflict. The parameters I am using for this Palestinian state are the offers made by Israel in the peace process, which is why the Palestinians had to reject it. After the Camp David Accords, a top Israeli negotiator said that if he were Arafat, he wouldn't take that deal either, and Camp David is widely regarded as the best deal ever offered to the Palestinians

There are a lot of inaccuracies and misconceptions here. Israelis do not have freedom of movement in Gaza, or Areas A and B of the West Bank. In fact, some Israelis were shot dead a few weeks ago by PA police for entering Palestinian territory, and Israel did not retaliate. They have to confer with the PA if they want to enter. Israelis also have to pass Israeli checkpoints to get into Areas C of the West Bank.

Like I said, low-level occupation. Palestinians have to cross through checkpoints only when crossing over into Israeli jurisdiction of the West Bank. Palestinians have their own legal system. Their own police force. No military, but plenty of well-organized "militants." The line between an army and Hamas gets more and more blurry as time goes by.

The Palestinians by the way, have no interest in repatriating their "expelled" civilians (mostly people who were born elsewhere). Fatah even said that under a peace deal, he would continue maintaining the refugee camps in the Palestinian territories (mindblown at "refugees" who are still inside their own purported homeland).

It would maintain the Jewish only highways

Jewish only highways are commonly reported in your circles, but they do not exist. There are highways for Israeli citizens only. They are not "Jewish only" highways. 1.4 million Arabs have access to those highways.

.What kind of state is a state that is non contiguous and carved up by private access highways and settlements? The international community would obviously not be fooled by such a farce and recognize that obviously this is a continuation of the occupation and so many prominent Israeli right wingers have abandoned this idea, including Bibi.

Israel has already demonstrated it is willing to dismantle settlements for peace (Sinai, Gaza). Deals offered to the Palestinans included over 90% of the West Bank. Within the 90% all Israel would need would be airspace, for obvious security reasons.

as far as your take on a solution, I feel that any emphasis on the culture of Palestinians is pretty thin at this point. I mean the Palestinians in the West Bank constitute the majority and haven't taken up arms against Israel in over a decade.

There have been plenty of incidences. However, do you really think that their lack of attacks has nothing to do with the checkpoints and security measures Israel takes? Either way, glorification of terrorism is a huge part of their culture.

Any type of solution that entails an ideological reshaping of the people seems to be moving the goal posts ad infintium. Your solution is literally that Palestinians should somehow be brainwashed from their current mind state to a new mind state, regardless of what that mind state is this seems to be completely unattainable and sets no time frame for something that feasibly could take a hundred years.

Which is why I said peace is not possible. Palestinian attacks will continue with or without a peace deal.

On the converse, Israel was formed by terrorist groups like Irgun, of which some early Prime Ministers came and has now become Likud (by all accounts). Irgun wanted to create a Jewish State with the biblical borders that included Jordan, parts of Lebanon, and parts of Syria. And of course they committed terrorist acts against innocent people, just like Hamas. So this idea that Hamas are unreasonable maniac's due to their medieval religion is in my view not grounded in reality. Even their demands for a ceasefire we're not unreasonable although you can argue they were untenable given the situation.

I am not talking about the culture at large being problematic. This is more of a problem than a militant group here and there.

The fact of the matter is, you may not understand it now, but I am more in favor of Israel than you are. You don't seem to like Israel but may sadly be partial to Jewish supremacy, which is not unfortunately for you what Israel is supposed to be. The further Israel deviates away from it's own laws, courts, international law, etc is the closer Israel gets to becoming a whole new entity very different than the one imagined by it's founders. The IDF will never be defeated in the battlefield but as it's appetite becomes more voracious it is defeating itself.

Out of your whole post, I would say this is the biggest nonsense. Its just empty cliche rhetoric. Here, watch:

The fact of the matter is, you may not understand it now, but I am more in favor of Palestine than you are. You don't seem to like Palestine but may sadly be partial to Islamic supremacy, which is not unfortunately for you what is best for Palestine. The further Palestine deviates away from acceptable global norms, international law, etc is the farther it gets from becoming a new state the Palestinians desperately need. Palestine will never be defeated in the international scene but as it's appetite becomes more voracious it is defeating itself.
 

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There are a lot of inaccuracies and misconceptions here. Israelis do not have freedom of movement in Gaza, or Areas A and B of the West Bank. In fact, some Israelis were shot dead a few weeks ago by PA police for entering Palestinian territory, and Israel did not retaliate. They have to confer with the PA if they want to enter. Israelis also have to pass Israeli checkpoints to get into Areas C of the West Bank.

Like I said, low-level occupation. Palestinians have to cross through checkpoints only when crossing over into Israeli jurisdiction of the West Bank. Palestinians have their own legal system. Their own police force. No military, but plenty of well-organized "militants." The line between an army and Hamas gets more and more blurry as time goes by.

The Palestinians by the way, have no interest in repatriating their "expelled" civilians (mostly people who were born elsewhere). Fatah even said that under a peace deal, he would continue maintaining the refugee camps in the Palestinian territories (mindblown at "refugees" who are still inside their own purported homeland).



Jewish only highways are commonly reported in your circles, but they do not exist. There are highways for Israeli citizens only. They are not "Jewish only" highways. 1.4 million Arabs have access to those highways.



Israel has already demonstrated it is willing to dismantle settlements for peace (Sinai, Gaza). Deals offered to the Palestinans included over 90% of the West Bank. Within the 90% all Israel would need would be airspace, for obvious security reasons.



There have been plenty of incidences. However, do you really think that their lack of attacks has nothing to do with the checkpoints and security measures Israel takes? Either way, glorification of terrorism is a huge part of their culture.



Which is why I said peace is not possible. Palestinian attacks will continue with or without a peace deal.



I am not talking about the culture at large being problematic. This is more of a problem than a militant group here and there.



Out of your whole post, I would say this is the biggest nonsense. Its just empty cliche rhetoric. Here, watch:

The fact of the matter is, you may not understand it now, but I am more in favor of Palestine than you are. You don't seem to like Palestine but may sadly be partial to Islamic supremacy, which is not unfortunately for you what is best for Palestine. The further Palestine deviates away from acceptable global norms, international law, etc is the farther it gets from becoming a new state the Palestinians desperately need. Palestine will never be defeated in the international scene but as it's appetite becomes more voracious it is defeating itself.


Israeli's will have the right to travel to whatever part of the new Palestinian state that they want in a new state because it will be occupied by Israel and therefore under Israeli protection. Area C holds most of the natural resources and open spaces and that constitutes a massive theft against the Palestinian people. Even in a scenario where Area C is given to Israel, the Palestinian state would be totally disconnected and carved up. As far as JEWISH ONLY highways, they DO exist. Only JEWISH SETTLERS live in the West Bank with Israeli citizenship, so de facto, they are Jewish Only highways.

You're the one that wants an extension of hostilities. I am the one saying peace is possible. That is where we are at odds. You actually do not think any deal will satisfy your blood lust short of a full evacuation of Arabs from the region. I will tell you again so you understand this concept, the further Israel goes away from its own laws and accepted international norms, the more it becomes a Pariah. Israel's greatest claim is that it pro-ports to be an inclusive liberal democracy. Now that we see obviously this facade is cracking with the occupation reaching critical mass in Gaza, with the sterilization of Ethiopian Jews, with the massive camps in the Negev, and the demolition of Bedouin homes in the Negev. The Palestinians in the West Bank have followed to a tee Israel's instructions and the instructions of the international community. They even went to the U.N. to achieve statehood. So trying to flip what I said to apply to the Palestinians is obviously nonsense. In 2014, Israel has protests where people en masse chant death to all Arabs, and sterilizes Jewish blacks because of their race, while it's parliamentary leaders call for mass expulsions and ethnic cleansing. If this to you seems like a course conducive to sustaining liberal democracy then I don't know what to say.
 

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Really? Let's analyze this

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Sure.... let's analyze this!
First of all your image screengrab is wrong!

6 Million jews did not die during the holocaust, they originally said it was 6 million, since then they have reduced the number.
And not only that, the number was officially reduced, so official that they even changed the tombstone in Auschwitz to 1.5Mil.

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You know why people believe 6 million?
Because they don't realize how many people 6 million really is!

Actually, there is lots of space in Gaza.

Hamas does not by any means have to shoot from schools and hospitals, breh.


Not to mention............ You didn't address a single point in my previous post. Here they were.


1) The Palestinians who are actually alive today, have not lost land. The Palestinians fighting today have not lost land. In fact, the Palestinians today have governmental control over more territory than at any time during history.
2) Their human rights are determined mostly by their governments, who force Israel into wars and security measures which is a strain on Israel, and Israel would rather not deal with, but has to.
3) Gaza is not a concentration camp. It is one of the most densely populated places on earth. But Singapore and Hong Kong are more densely populated. Are they concentration camps too? Gazans are free to leave through Egypt, if they would like to travel somewhere. Not to mention, Concentration camps typically don't have amusement parks, water parks, olympic sized swimming pools, luxury hotels and shopping malls, and beauty spas. The term "concentration camp" is only used to spite the Jews for their struggle in the holocaust, and is completely emotional with no factual basis

Your points are stupid!

You clearly will support the state of white phosphorus to no end, no matter what they do.
 
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