“Their goal is to destroy everyone”: Uighur camp detainees allege systematic rape

[88m3]

Stop caping for China

Yeah I saw this interview a couple weeks by chance and I saw her daughter interviewed previously awhile back. I'm not sure why people are in denial about it although obviously in the past people were quick to deny other genocides throughout history.

The Interview - Uighur refugee Gulbahar Haitiwaji: 'The Chinese want to eradicate the Uighurs'


@Rhakim Did you hear about this story?

 

[EndDomination]

Stop caping for China

I'm still waiting for those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, all of those mysteriously assassinated generals and leaders who are still walking around in North Korea, evidence of those baby incubators that were destroyed by Saddam in Kuwait, evidence of the mass rapes by Qaddafi's men in Libya, the crucified Ukrainian child, the violence scaled by members of the Unification Church, etc.

Those are all examples of "atrocity propaganda" and something the U.S. has been using against its perceived enemies since the late 19th century.

I don't cape for U.S. hegemony or Chinese hegemony. I'd much prefer the Uyghur people be allowed their own autonomous territory and nation within the Xinjiang Zone.

There's a difference between knowing that the U.S. is bolstering likely exaggerated claims made by a U.S. funded refugee thinktank, and actually defending China's actions.

 

[88m3]

I'm still waiting for those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, all of those mysteriously assassinated generals and leaders who are still walking around in North Korea, evidence of those baby incubators that were destroyed by Saddam in Kuwait, evidence of the mass rapes by Qaddafi's men in Libya, the crucified Ukrainian child, the violence scaled by members of the Unification Church, etc.

Those are all examples of "atrocity propaganda" and something the U.S. has been using against its perceived enemies since the late 19th century.

I don't cape for U.S. hegemony or Chinese hegemony. I'd much prefer the Uyghur people be allowed their own autonomous territory and nation within the Xinjiang Zone.

There's a difference between knowing that the U.S. is bolstering likely exaggerated claims made by a U.S. funded refugee thinktank, and actually defending China's actions.

that's pretty flimsy guy

 

[King Static X]

I'm still waiting for those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, all of those mysteriously assassinated generals and leaders who are still walking around in North Korea, evidence of those baby incubators that were destroyed by Saddam in Kuwait, evidence of the mass rapes by Qaddafi's men in Libya, the crucified Ukrainian child, the violence scaled by members of the Unification Church, etc.

Those are all examples of "atrocity propaganda" and something the U.S. has been using against its perceived enemies since the late 19th century.

I don't cape for U.S. hegemony or Chinese hegemony. I'd much prefer the Uyghur people be allowed their own autonomous territory and nation within the Xinjiang Zone.

There's a difference between knowing that the U.S. is bolstering likely exaggerated claims made by a U.S. funded refugee thinktank, and actually defending China's actions.

Numerous media outlets WORLDWIDE (including independent outlets and journalists) have reported on this. All of this nonsense you're typing is just juelzing and for the CCP.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Here's the easiest way to figure out if there's a slant - find a source regarding the sexual abuse in the camps that isn't being funded by the National Endowment for Democracy.

I actually really want some of the reliable independent journalists to investigate.

What do you think about Olsi Jazexhi's accounts of the journalist "visits"? That interviews were only done under strict supervision, that in many cases answers had clearly been drilled into them, that camp detainees were terrified to even speak in their native tongue much less disclose anything that would put the Chinese in a negative light, and the manner in which Olsi Jazexhi faced large-scale retaliation after publishing his account?

If they control the journalists' visits that much, and if they retaliate that strongly for even mild disclosures, then why do you believe that the visits have had value at all?

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Heard this shyt on NPR this morning. shyt was disgusting.....

 

[BucciMane]

Oh, but China isn't this worlds biggest threat?

Great people there, and an awful government. But, the rest of the world, specifically Europe and the EU and sackless and won't do a damn thing.

 

[Shogun]

Oh, but China isn't this worlds biggest threat?

Great people there, and an awful government. But, the rest of the world, specifically Europe and the EU and sackless and won't do a damn thing.

Chinas population is over a billion, and nearly everyone’s economy depends on them in some way. For as awful as this is, what do you suggest be done?

 

[Carl Tethers]

Great people there, and an awful government

Word. I lived there over a decade ago - never met nicer people on the street (the constant comments on my hair when I grew it out was though. But I got free club entry most of the time and barely paid for a drink) but the ones in power were dikkheads


The reports coming out are grim and I wholly believe they're doing that shyt, but yeah.. no clue what actions could be taken in response other than limiting trade

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Chinas population is over a billion, and nearly everyone’s economy depends on them in some way. For as awful as this is, what do you suggest be done?

How very American... maybe we could like you know put more value in human life than the economy?

 

[MoneyTron]

How very American... maybe we could like you know put more value in human life than the economy?

That’s great and all but if the economy isn’t good, people give two fukks about anything else.

That’s why everyone across the world is still tiptoeing and panicking over finding ways to extricate themselves from China without huge economic impact.

In a perfect world with no economic retaliation, China would’ve had a message sent to them a long time ago. But, this is the downside of the global economic system we built. We’re all in this together.

 

[EndDomination]

that's pretty flimsy guy

As is the evidence reported by the U.S. funded agencies. Which is why I'd prefer independent journalistic work done.

Numerous media outlets WORLDWIDE (including independent outlets and journalists) have reported on this. All of this nonsense you're typing is just juelzing and for the CCP.

Reported on certain elements, as well as the whole of what has been called "a genocide." Very little of the information has come from multiple sources, which is largely my issue with the reporting. This isn't 1930s Germany where there are hundreds of worldwide journalists with their own accounts submitting information to the NYT, the Tribune, The Daily Express, The Economist, etc.
The U.S. focus on the Uyghur cleansing campaign is being effectively astroturfed for partisan anti-Chinese reasons.

I'm not denying the totality of the claims, just distrustful of the information. I don't understand why you find nuance so difficult to contend with - you likely weren't even aware of this before 2019.

Also: point me to the independent journalist write-ups that aren't getting their information from the National Endowment for Democracy, or NED funded organizations.

What do you think about Olsi Jazexhi's accounts of the journalist "visits"? That interviews were only done under strict supervision, that in many cases answers had clearly been drilled into them, that camp detainees were terrified to even speak in their native tongue much less disclose anything that would put the Chinese in a negative light, and the manner in which Olsi Jazexhi faced large-scale retaliation after publishing his account?

If they control the journalists' visits that much, and if they retaliate that strongly for even mild disclosures, then why do you believe that the visits have had value at all?

I didn't find any of the information or his claims to be insightful or particularly trustworthy - though the backlash from the Chinese state media was enough to make me rethink that. I'm not saying there isn't a cultural genocide or mass-Uyghur incarceration.

It's actually a fantastic example of the carceral geography that the U.S. is slowly implementing - just far more focused on one ethnicity. I'm also not denying the severe human rights abuses. Just pointing to the clear slant of the press, and the obvious issues with sourcing. I did like Olsi's article about the Muslim press being used to deny anti-Uyghur action by the Chinese state.
How China uses Muslim press trips to counter claims of Uighur abuse

There are also plenty of non-right wing Chinese journalists that do good work - and they've failed in a lot of ways to substantiate the claims.

I found Nathan Robinson's article about it to be pretty fair:

How the Left Can Oppose the Uyghur Genocide ❧ Current Affairs

 

[EndDomination]

Oh, but China isn't this worlds biggest threat?

Great people there, and an awful government. But, the rest of the world, specifically Europe and the EU and sackless and won't do a damn thing.

They're not involved in several international bombing campaigns - so no, the U.S. still is.

If not us, then Saudi Arabia and Israel - which each have their own ethnic cleansing campaigns running.

 

[mastermind]

There is a such thing as western propoganda news from China. The state department feed stories to corporate news outlets that even the National Inquirer wouldn’t imagine.

But the Chinese are oppressing the Uighurs. Both sides can be true.

 

[mastermind]

How very American... maybe we could like you know put more value in human life than the economy?

The USA government, and most of us, don’t value human lives over the economy.