**The World Cup 2018 Official Thread**
- Thread starter Black Magisterialness
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The God Zidane will coach France it's only a matter of time!
thatrapsfan
Superstar
I was born there, dad worked there too.
thatrapsfan
Superstar
Out of all the countries you listed, only two bid for World Cup 2022 ( Australia and Japan). The former would be a decent choice I agree, the latter hosted it in 2002 so they were not a real contender. The only real choice in the end was between Qatar and the United States, and I think the need to rotate a World Cup across federations should be the top consideration.
Hosting a World Cup requires a huge investment, so their massive revenue is clearly of benefit. Your ill-gotten money reference is also a curious one. What is ill-gotten about natural gas reserves? Are you referring to their political system or what? Ive always understood infrastructure to refer to roads, buildings, facilities, etc and out of all the things you can criticize Qatar on, the idea they dont have good infrastructure may be the last one. Maybe you are referring to its tiny size, but its a guarantee they will( and already have) spent tons on physical infrastructure.
Finally, many of these points re: politics, bid-rigging, and fan experience were also underlined as reasons Russia 2018 would be a disaster and it ended up being one of the best ever. The football on the pitch will ultimately determine if the tournament is a success.
So after watching this why the hell is France the only one doing this. This video left more questions than answers. Is it really that hard to setup football camps in a country? Why can't countries with huge diversity pools do this? Ie Canada, America, England. Watched this and its mind numbing easy to duplicate why has no other country though of this.
Well I understand why American isnt doing it but the other countries.
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MikeyC
The Coli Royal Rumble Champion 2019
I don't know about North America, but there are multiple national football centres around Europe.
So just rough math from the video I counted 21 academies for the population which works out to 3 million people per academy. This is an honest question do other countries have that kind of ratio in Europe? Honest question again is Englands like that truly dont know? I am Canadian and I don't even think we have 2, the shyt can't be that expensive.
Black Nate Grey
The God Emperor of Mankind
Football culture and history matters to an extent.
Basically, If you didn't get in on this football shyt early, you'll have to wait in line.
For such an egalitarian sport (no real genetic requirements, cheap to play, International, etc) it can be quite difficult in how it treats newbies.
Germany themselves had a 10-15 year plan they enacted to revolutionise they're player development that only saw fruit with the 2014 World Cup win.
France didn't really have the same thing, they are like Brazil and Argentina, they're just naturally really good.
England did the same as Germany, their youth teams have done quite well recently.
Setting up youth camps doesn't work when you keep trying to Americanize things state side. NCAA/Collegiate system DOES NOT worm for football. You need to start at like 6-7 years old (no joke). Also refusal to use a relegation system is another big factor.
In the rest of the world Teams are often owned by the fans themselves (Real Madrid, Barcelona, etc) or billionaires. In America they are franchises. In the rest of the world players hold more power over the teams/owners, in America its the team exact opposite.
America's problem is culture, they don't want to assimilate to the model that works but keep trying stubbornly to do it the 'American way', and while this yields dividends in other facets of life, football is not one of them.
Black Nate Grey
The God Emperor of Mankind
I'm Canadian too, and the same answer applies, the problem is culture.
Can you imagine if that model was applied to Canada just look at Toronto it's the mecca of diversity in the world. I hope the world cup now being hosted in Canada will change things. We could be running circles, I look at Iceland which has the same population as Scarborough and they field top quality players. Its vexing!
MikeyC
The Coli Royal Rumble Champion 2019
Yeah, but I think England has more than 21
qatar doesn't have multiple stadiums...they need to build them. Russia actually has a footballing culture and their team is decent. Qatar pays rejects from other countries to play for them
in the end, you have a desert with horrible laws, and no footballing culture. Also you cant compare russia to qatar. Russia gets 33 million tourists a year and is more than equipped to handle a world cup. Only people going to Qatar are poor workers.
4 million tourists visited Qatar last year. The country has a population of only 2 million.qatar doesn't have multiple stadiums...they need to build them. Russia actually has a footballing culture and their team is decent. Qatar pays rejects from other countries to play for them
in the end, you have a desert with horrible laws, and no footballing culture. Also you cant compare russia to qatar. Russia gets 33 million tourists a year and is more than equipped to handle a world cup. Only people going to Qatar are poor workers.
The point of FIFA and the World Cup is precisely to develop a football culture worldwide.
Your points are moot and dead on arrival.
TobiOT
Veteran
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History and culture are a huuuge part in this. France is a very centralized country, meaning there's Paris (the capital) and the rest of the country. For decades, we have had decentralizing policies so regions and departments could hold more weight but the truth is it's still heavily centralized towards Paris and the "presidential" government. Obviously, we are not a monarchy but that is the feeling you'll get if you're French or living here.
The INF and the academies are in the same vain. But that's not only for football, we have regional/club academies for tennis, rugby, track and field etc. And the all the best young players are detected from those academies and go to the national academy (usually in Paris suburbs obviously). For example, we have the INSEP where our best tennismen (Tsonga, Monfils, Gasquet...), basketball players (Parker, Turiaf, Fournier), athletes (Perec, Diagana, Arron) were trained before turning pro. I believe that when they turn pro, they get to redistribute some of their gains to the country in their first pro years but I'm not sure.
That is administratively speaking. Now France's colonialism past also plays a huge role. The post WWI migrations (Polish, Italian, Spanish mostly), post WWI migrations (North Africans mostly), 70s (Carribeans, West-Africans, Portuguese) make France a huge melting pot in its biggest cities. There are no specific waves since the 80s but the migration fluxes mostly come from Africa. On average, France is less multicultural than the US (there a thousands of villages or small towns which see little to no diversity) but if you simply look at its top 20 cities, it's very diverse.
If you take a look at the history of the French NT, you'll basically see that after one or two generations, the NT starts to be filled with the children of the migration wave :
In the 50s (the first great French generation), you had several players of Spanish (Fontaine), Polish (Kopa) and Italian (Piantoni) descent.
In the 80s (the second one), Italians (Platini is the best example) or Spanish (Fernandez and Amoros are the most known of that era) descent and that's when you started seeng the first great black players (Tigana, Trésor)
The late 90s/mid 2000s (is the third one) where the the Black Blanc Beur thing came. Players from several descents : Arab (Zidane, Lamouchi), Armenian (Djorkaeff, Boghossian), Spanish (Lizarazu, Pires) Carribeans (Thuram, Karembeu), African (Dessailly, Diomède) etc.
So now we are at the 4th generation and we have far more players from African descent reflecting the migration flux since 30-40 years ago.
It is important to say that the players are not immigrants. They are French by law, simply they are of foreign descent like many that allow them to carry several cultures with them. So if you want to replicate the French model, you'll have to follow the same dynamics and also be able to have some centralization in this.