The Weeknd - STARBOY (Discussion Thread)

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CharlieManson said:
The Weeknd isn't even that dark.

For RnB yeah...but most of his songs are midtempo. The darkest album he made was Kissland and that wasn't Doc Mckinney or Illangelo.

And the best Weeknd songs aren't him on some rap shyt just bragging about money and bytches...

His best songs are something like Professional or The Town or the Birds where he is detailing power in relationships. I rather him make a whole album like that than hear him go back to making songs like Loft Music.

The Weeknd wants to be the biggest popstar in the world. If he wants to keep his musical integrity and crossover...the best match for him in the role of an executive producer would be Dangermouse. Dangermouse just executive produced ASAP Rocky album.

Dangermouse can make dark music. Crazy was darker than half of Weeknd's catalog. The album Dangermouse made with Beck wasn't some happy go lucky lets have fun type of album. It was miserable and depressing music.
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I don't get it. You want him to go back to making music he's already accustom to doing yet you want him to pair with a producer who have no chemistry together or even know? How does that even make sense? Because if you want that HoB/trilogy sound you should be hoping he stays right where he's at with Mckinney and Illangelo

Also another thing people gloss over is the fact that the trilogy series were originally free mixtapes. This matters because people expect albums to carry the same emotionally disturbing material/sound, when it's just not going to happen in this day and age. Albums are simply not going to contain that raw sound. You make albums in the industry to sell well, so it's basically pop by default content-wise, and by those standards, this is an excellent pop song (and a great song overall). That's not to say he won't have any of that music in his album, but why and how do you guys expect him to make a single like the Birds? :why: That's not what promotional singles are intended for.
 
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FireStormPhoenix said:
I don't get it. You want him to go back to making music he's already accustom to doing yet you want him to pair with a producer who have no chemistry together or even know? How does that even make sense? Because if you want that HoB/trilogy sound you should be hoping he stays right where he's at with Mckinney and Illangelo

Also another thing people gloss over is the fact that the trilogy series were originally free mixtapes. This matters because people expect albums to carry the same emotionally disturbing material/sound, when it's just not going to happen in this day and age. Albums are simply not going to contain that raw sound. You make albums in the industry to sell well, so it's basically pop by default content-wise, and by those standards, this is an excellent pop song (and a great song overall). That's not to say he won't have any of that music in his album, but why and how do you guys expect him to make a single like the Birds? :why: That's not what promotional singles are intended for.
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I don't want a particular sound...

And Dangermouse works with anybody and everybody. Like he made Hip Hop albums, he made rock albums. He's a musical genius without signature sound. His style is more like a movie director. He's the greatest music producer in the past 10 years.

I don't care for the Trilogy sound...I liked Kissland more than Trilogy and and Trilogy is considered the peak of his creative talent. I like Kissland because it's more mature. Trilogy has classic joints, but Kissland is like a movie and I love the story of Kissland.

What I like about the Weeknd outside of all the shock value lyrics about doing cocaine and fukking two bytches before he sees his girlfriend is his ability to capture the reality of human relationships (instead of the whole RnB lover man standard) and his original intention to step outside the typical Black artist RnB sound.

Kissland is an RnB album that sounds like an updated New Wave album. Trilogy is an RnB Album sounds like an Alternative Rock/Trip Hop album. He even said himself before that he doesn't really take much from RnB besides the style of singing...everything else, sound aesthetic comes from Alt Rock.

Not every single artist make albums to sell. Some people make music to be critically acclaimed. Some of the best artists out right now...don't sell a shyt ton of albums.

Artists like the Weeknd (originally), Miguel and Frank Ocean was supposed to take back areas of Black music that we have neglected to create this shyt homogenized sound that started in the 90s to sell records...where every artist had to jump on New Jack Swing, now every single artist has to jump on Trap...now everybody is jumping on fukking Dancehall

When the Weeknd sold out and started making shytty carbon copy MJ music and Trap....it was an L for Black music. Even though...I do like the dual story that is in Beauty and the Madness in songs like The Hills and Can't Feel My Face, it is still an L.

The Weeknd do whatever the fukk he wants...if he wanna make generic Pop music and drop a single that sounds like a One Direction reject...then that's cool. Get his money.

Those of us that wanna see Black music progress in sound still have FKA Twigs, Frank Ocean and Miguel :yeshrug:
 
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Damn we gettin 18 tracks tho? I'm bout to eat. Hopefully not BBTM type shyt tho, Trilogy and Kissland still has replay value for me. Starboys been stuck in my head.
 
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I don't get why nikkas be like weeknd can't write or his pen weak...

read the lyrics to tears in the rain or adaptation. I know its cool to hate on Kiss Land but some of the lyrics on that shyt were disgusting

I should've let you leave
But, I let you, watch me slip away
I could've set you free
But, I'm selfish, I watched you stay
Oh babe



She has no recollection
Of the life she had without me
She let it slip away, away, away
It's so sad it had to be this
She forgot the good things about me
She let it slip away, away,

Duke knew he'd eventually destroy her but like any good narcissist he said fukk it when he could have saved her from himself. Ol girl became so wrapped up in him she doesn't even remember life before him. Then it dissolved so shes left with nothing but memories of the weeknd. But all those memories are bad things. Her whole life became nothing but dude but now that its over her whole world is just darkness since over time she forgot what was even good about the relationship.
this nikka when he on his shyt is goat level :wow:
 
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Zeu$ said:
I don't get why nikkas be like weeknd can't write or his pen weak...

read the lyrics to tears in the rain or adaptation. I know its cool to hate on Kiss Land but some of the lyrics on that shyt were disgusting

I should've let you leave
But, I let you, watch me slip away
I could've set you free
But, I'm selfish, I watched you stay
Oh babe



She has no recollection
Of the life she had without me
She let it slip away, away, away
It's so sad it had to be this
She forgot the good things about me
She let it slip away, away,

Duke knew he'd eventually destroy her but like any good narcissist he said fukk it when he could have saved her from himself. Ol girl became so wrapped up in him she doesn't even remember life before him. Then it dissolved so shes left with nothing but memories of the weeknd. But all those memories are bad things. Her whole life became nothing but dude but now that its over her whole world is just darkness since over time she forgot what was even good about the relationship.
this nikka when he on his shyt is goat level :wow:
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It's just the same 3 pnd stans saying that shyt. Nothing wrong with his pen at all.
 
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