Secure Da Bag
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And we couldn't use that money for BIF and/or BBB? Sinemanchin really did a number on this country.And he saved us $300 million A DAY
The way democrats have allowed republicans to control the narative that their voter suppression . .
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Framing.
Trump had the House & Senate when he was elected and couldn't repeal ACA, had trouble banning Muslim countries, etc. McCain, Collins & Murkowski did what Manchin & Sinema are currently doing.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Can you elaborate? It seems clear to me that Republicans are blocking voting rights because it's politically expedient. Republicans have trouble winning elections with high turnouts and so they have used The Great Steal Lie to chip away at voting rights. Have you not read about the laws against passing out food in voting lines and shyt?
Can't tell if you are doing this on purpose or not? Gerrymandering across the nation is disproportionately in favor of Republicans, and if it was eradicated Democrats would win. Because it is so widespread, Democrats put themselves at an even greater disadvantage by not participating in it.
Gerrymanders, Part 1: Busting the both-sides-do-it myth
How Gerrymandering Will Protect Republicans Who Challenged the Election (Published 2021)
Republican ideas would fail in the free market. Ignoring voters' will won't work forever.
I'm not sure if you're trying to be sarcastic or purposefully picking poor arguments?
Personally, I think that Republicans are good at threatening the most basic fundamentals of an equal democracy to the point where Democrats are forced to defend rights that people had for decades (abortion rights, voting rights, etc). These things are not as sexy as free college, increased taxation on billionaires or other popular policies that will be good for reelection.
Dems are forced to spend capital protecting the fundamentals of Democracy which is inherently noble, but on the surface it will look like they have just maintained the status quo and so even if they are staving off threats to the democracy. This looks like inaction to the uninformed, and the general public will become more apathetic about voting until we actually lose our democracy.
Dems are forced to spend capital protecting the fundamentals of Democracy which is inherently noble, but on the surface it will look like they have just maintained the status quo and so even if they are staving off threats to the democracy. This looks like inaction to the uninformed, and the general public will become more apathetic about voting until we actually lose our democracy.
Voice of Reason
Veteran
Modern Republicans always control the narrative.
They've been doing it since "Obamacare" panels.
They've been doing it since "Obamacare" panels.
Voice of Reason
Veteran
I agree with most of your assessment but I have one question for you. Do you think Democrats are trying to use the "voting rights" issue to give illegals the right to vote.
What in the Fox News kinda question is that?
Illegal immigrants in the Bronx that survived the Apartment fire are afraid to accept donations because it might expose their status, yet there's this fantasy world where immigrants will risk it all to participate in a voting system that millions of legal citizens don't even believe/participate in?
You are (un?)consciously insinuating that we should make it harder for actual American citizens across the nation to vote, just in case the minority of a minority of a subset of illegal immigrants might ever try to vote.
Also, having worked the polls, you can't just show up and vote anywhere, even if you have an ID. You have to be in your proper polling place and in the registered rolls or eligible for same day registration, or at best you can only submit a provisional ballot which is historically more scrutinized and more likely to be overlooked/rejected.
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Voice of Reason
Veteran
Breh Democrats have been pushing measures to allow non citizens the right to vote don't be obtuse
What's in the Voting Rights Bill Senate Democrats Want to Pass?
These people are given the right to vote and participate in PORTIONS of the LOCAL electoral process as a result.
It is still (and will always be) illegal to vote for non-citizens to vote in federal races and the likes. The ID law does not make it more legal, and any immigrants caught will be jailed and then deported. That still counts as voter fraud.
So, the odds of voter fraud currently are one case per 1 million cast ballots, so again, can you elaborate on restricting voting rights across the nation for something that literally has a one in a million chance of occurring with LEGAL citizens and as of recent memory, there are no actual examples of non-citizens committing voter fraud.
Exactly. The blue dog "centrist" who run the dem party care more about public perception and appealing to the imaginary conservative voter who are just waiting to be
wooed and courted by the demsthan fighting for their own base
Facts. At this point the country is definitevely split along partisan lines, the amount of real actual independents has to be less than 10 million. Dems can't pick a lane
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Republicans have learned from the Left. They are now using the very Saul Alinsky tactics the Left used for decades prior. This is especially evident in the "Critical Race Theory" debate.
"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it"
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Yup. The right wing have read a lot of leftist movement books and learned from the old left to create this current movement.
BK The Great
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Democrats ain't shyt but if this is the only way to claim you're a Republican then you're a clown. Hold both accountable. They both ain't shyt in reality.