The War on Poverty at 50

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mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/economix/2014/01/06/the-war-on-poverty-at-50/?_r=0

This week marks the 50th anniversary of President Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty, a broad set of policy initiatives designed to reduce poverty in America.

Or, if you’re so inclined, an opportunity to echo President Reagan’s line: “We fought a war on poverty, and poverty won.”

So, which is it?

It turns out to be a bit of a trick question. It’s easy to show that much of what we’ve done to reduce poverty has been highly successful. Social Security — a New Deal program that was expanded in the 1960s — today reduces the official elderly poverty rate from 44 percent without counting Social Security benefits to 9 percent with them. That development alone belies the facile Reagan quip. More careful analysis of the benefits of our current set of anti-poverty programs, reviewed below, further underscore this point.

Yet poverty still exists. The official measure stands at 15 percent, but it is widely regarded to woefully inadequate, as it depends on outdated income thresholds and omits both much of the impact of policies intended to fight poverty and income sources of low-income households. Under a metric thatcorrects for these omissions, the poverty rate in 2012 was 16 percent; that’s almost 50 million people, including 13 million children.

Still, that rate is considerably lower than two important benchmarks. First, thanks to a recent study by poverty scholars from Columbia University (see chart and source below), we can track this improved metric back to the latter 1960s. In 1967, about 26 percent were poor compared to 16 percent in 2012.

Second — and this benchmark really gets to the question of the effectiveness of anti-poverty policies — absent those policies, the 2012 rate would be 29 percent, meaning that the value of food stamps, unemployment benefits, the earned-income tax credit, housing subsidies and more lifted 13 percent of the population — 40 million people — out of poverty that year.

Another way to see the increasing poverty-reducing impact of the programs noted above is to observe the growing gap between the two top lines in the chart. The growing distance between the rate that counts what we’re doing to reduce poverty and the rate that leaves it out is proof of the increasing anti-poverty impact of these policies.

Such benchmarks provide a sharp rebuke to the “we lost the war” crowd.

Yet I suspect that if I could sit President Johnson down and explain to him all we’ve done to maintain and expand the policy arsenal he helped to introduce half a century ago, he’d be surprised that there’s still so much economic hardship.

The reason, however, is not the ineffectiveness of the anti-poverty programs that his administration introduced and strengthened. It’s that they’ve had to work much harder in an economy that has made it a lot tougher for those at the bottom to get ahead. If this is a war, then it is not just the anti-poverty forces that have gotten stronger over time, as revealed by the growing distance between the two top lines in the figure. The opposing army, wielding weapons of inequality, globalization, deunionization, lower minimum wages, slack labor markets and decreasing returns to lower-end jobs, has also gained much strength.

There’s a counterargument — one as old as poverty itself — that says don’t blame the economy; the poor themselves have made life choices that consigned them to poverty, like not getting enough schooling, single parenthood, or having children out of wedlock. Clearly such choices have always played a role in driving up poverty, but how have they changed over time, and what’s their relative importance compared to the broader economic trends noted above?

In fact, research released Monday by some of my colleagues at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities shows that such demographic and educational trends have often moved in opposite directions, some pushing toward higher poverty rates, others pushing toward lower ones. Regarding the latter, for example, the share of adults with higher educational attainment has risen significantly, family size has shrunk, and a lot more women are in the paid labor market. Pushing the other way — toward higher poverty — are a larger share of single-parent families and lower employment rates for men (I wouldn’t be so quick to assign this one to behavior versus structural economic changes).

Fortunately, the Economic Policy Institute publishes arevealing decomposition on the relevant roles of these poverty determinants, including inequality — which, by steering any given level of economic growth away from the low-income families, leads to higher poverty — family structure, education, and so on. Their analysis shows that between 1979 and 2007, the increase in inequality was the single most important factor in their analysis, increasing poverty by 5.5 percentage points. The shift to single parent families added 1.4 point to poverty over those years, but educational upgrading reduced it by almost twice that amount.

So, collecting all of these facts, the answer to the question posed above is that it’s the wrong question, in that its inherent win/loss framing precludes a nuanced analysis of the play between many disparate factors. The data clearly show that anti-poverty policies have been effective, but they’ve had to work harder in the face of increasing economic challenges facing low-income families. We could try to push the safety net further, but the politics aren’t there, to say the least. Moreover, unless we do more to deal with the underlying structural problems in the economy that are increasing poverty — especially the lack of decently paying jobs, which I link closely to the absence of full employment — we’ll have to increasingly ratchet up government support year after year.

The American safety net is actively helping millions of economically disadvantaged families, and we should protect and improve it. But the best way to help it — and more importantly, the poor themselves — is to strengthen the underlying economy in ways that will take some of the pressure off of what has, over the last 50 years, become an effective set of anti-poverty social policies.


And In general what are your thoughts on the "war on poverty"? Would you say it was a success or a failure?
 

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So they are going to solve all the problems of human misery through government and government planning. Well, now, if government planning and welfare had the answer and they’ve had almost 30 years of it, shouldn’t we expect government to almost read the score to us once in a while? Shouldn’t they be telling us about the decline each year in the number of people needing help? The reduction in the need for public housing?."

“A Time for Choosing”
Ronald Reagan
October 27, 1964

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I'm not a fan of Reagan, but he went in right here, and is completely on point.
 
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The reason that the "War on Poverty" doesn't seem to have reduced the number of people living in poverty isn't that it's a bad idea, rather that the forces pushing in the other direction are stronger. When almost all of any economic gains go to people at the top, then of course it's going to be harder for people to get out of poverty.

As the article says, in recent years, there are fewer teenage parents, more people with degrees, and smaller family sizes. If it was just a "stupid/lazy poor people" thing and the percentage of people in poverty was purely based on making poor decisions, then the rate would've gone down. The problem is deeper than people being lazy and/or uneducated. I'd say the biggest problems are

1. Lack of decent jobs (and I don't mean working at Walmart)
2. The rich eating up any economic gains

It's hard to imagine either of those can be addressed without at least some government involvement, at least in terms of policy changes.
 

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War on poverty, we off that.

The week marks the 7th year of the war on the middle class.
 

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The war on the middle class is fueled largely by statistical fukkery. It is important to distinguish between more Americans getting richer, and only the rich getting richer. The latter, of course, is the default position of the Old Left Media. For example, the Left bemoans the declining percentage of Americans in the moderate-income range, between $35,000-$50,000. This is regularly called the “vanishing middle class.”

What is hidden… and not by accident, is that the “disappearance” is largely due to fact that the percentage of households with real incomes higher than $50,000 increased from 24.9% in 1967 to 44.1% in 2003, and the percentage with real incomes lower than $35,000 fell from 52.8% in 1967 to 40.9%.

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poverty didn't win, the powers that be won.

Here's teh question you really gotta ask yourself. If we really wanted to as a county end things like poverty and shyt education could we? The answer I think is yes. Then why haven't we?

When you answer that question you'll see that poverty didn't win shyt. Greedy b*stards did, and yet they still somehow make poverty a winner...
 

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poverty didn't win, the powers that be won.

Here's teh question you really gotta ask yourself. If we really wanted to as a county end things like poverty and shyt education could we? The answer I think is yes. Then why haven't we?

When you answer that question you'll see that poverty didn't win shyt. Greedy b*stards did, and yet they still somehow make poverty a winner...
Once we acknowledge that it is impossible to remove "greedy b*stards" from the equation, we will begin to see how pointless the war is. Add that to the fact that no society has ever existed without a lower impoverished* class, and the entire war becomes silly and a waste of resources.
 

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Once we acknowledge that it is impossible to remove "greedy b*stards" from the equation, we will begin to see how pointless the war is. Add that to the fact that no society has ever existed without a lower impoverished* class, and the entire war becomes silly and a waste of resources.

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A well thought out and coherent argument:beli: let me consider your position and get back to you.:aicmon:

Rich people are doing fine on their own, I don't think they need you to :cape:them from criticism. :heh:

While there will always be greedy people, we need to have government policy to keep their behavior in check. And it's true that there will always be poor people, but that doesn't mean we can't do much better than the status quo. Right now, the rich have such a huge share of the country's wealth that it's literally a drag on the economy - when too much wealth is concentrated at the top, the poor/middle don't have enough income to buy goods/services and it hurts the economy for everybody.

Little known fact...the percentage of wealth held by the top 1% peaked in 1928 and 2007...right before each crash. I know correlation doesn't imply causation, but that's a pretty big coincidence... :usure:

I don't think we should just bend over and take it from the rich/greedy just because there will always be those types. Things such as tax policy and regulations can be used to keep things in check, at least to an extent.
 
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Rich people are doing fine on their own, I don't think they need you to :cape:them from criticism. :heh:

While there will always be greedy people, we need to have government policy to keep their behavior in check. And it's true that there will always be poor people, but that doesn't mean we can't do much better than the status quo. Right now, the rich have such a huge share of the country's wealth that it's literally a drag on the economy - when too much wealth is concentrated at the top, the poor/middle don't have enough income to buy goods/services and it hurts the economy for everybody.

Little known fact...the percentage of wealth held by the top 1% peaked in 1928 and 2007..right before each crash. I know correlation doesn't imply causation, but that's a pretty big coincidence... :usure:

I don't think we should just bend over and take it from the rich/greedy just because there will always be those types. Things such as tax policy and regulations can be used to keep things in check, at least to an extent.

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So true, the income of the low, middle, and upper class need to rise together.

Obama is so focused on compromise he pushes policy which includes provisions that lets people get around regulations, causing the same loop holes to exist which were closed 15+ years ago.

And that does not include the atrocious tax loops holes.
 

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Add that to the fact that no society has ever existed without a lower impoverished* class, and the entire war becomes silly and a waste of resources.

You're the poster of the year, you should be smarter than this.

"No society has ever existed without crime, police are silly and a waste of resources."
 
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