The Stuyvesant High 7 have reinforcements coming in !!

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The numbers are troubling and there is no single factor that can explain them.

Though, you'd figure that a certain % of Black families of means will send their kids to private or parochial schools.(and bypass public school testing)

I've read tons of articles talking about the disparities, but seeing the actual stats is sobering.

Yeah, but I would assume some parents would rather invest in test-taking than send their kid to an expensive school like Dalton, Horace Mann, or Choate where they are spending 50k per year. I might be misguided in my thinking, as there could potentially some other variables I'm not taking into consideration.

On that note the doc "American Promise" following 2 Black boys attending Dalton has just been uploaded to YT.

 

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Yeah, but I would assume some parents would rather invest in test-taking than send their kid to an expensive school like Dalton, Horace Mann, or Choate where they are spending 50k per year. I might be misguided in my thinking, as there could potentially some other variables I'm not taking into consideration.

On that note the doc "American Promise" following 2 Black boys attending Dalton has just been uploaded to YT.


thanks for the link

I wasn't talking about the elite private schools in the area. I meant that some of the middle class families opt to send kids to Catholic schools, privates, or seek alternatives rather than hoping their kids test into a specialized high school.

They represent a small % of the Black families in NYC, so it would hardly explain the dismal numbers. shyt is just sad.
 

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How does this post make any sense?
The poster said that at BMCC (Borough of Manhattan Community College) that there were so many Asian students that he thought he was in Shanghai.
Brooklyn is over a third Black, and about 10% Asian.
It's still partially true in a sense. The Black kids in Brooklyn are a random distribution. While the Chinese kids in Brooklyn are picked from the top ones out of a billion. It ain't like you competing with the village kids and sweatshop workers, those 10% Asians are taken from among the elite sliver of the top of their population, either the folk with enough money to get here or extreme drive.
 

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Just to clear up I was referring the students from Stuyvesant when I said they were mostly Asian.


As far as the Catholic schools go that was thing when I was a kid but I know a lot of the elementary schools turned into charter schools(I would assume the same of high schools).
 
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It's still partially true in a sense. The Black kids in Brooklyn are a random distribution. While the Chinese kids in Brooklyn are picked from the top ones out of a billion. It ain't like you competing with the village kids and sweatshop workers, those 10% Asians are taken from among the elite sliver of the top of their population, either the folk with enough money to get here or extreme drive.
Disagree with the Black kids being a random distribution. If you track the Great Migration or the immigration pattern of English speaking Caribbean people(which ran parallel), you'll see that the Black kids in NYC also descend from driven strivers. The recently arrived Black immigrant Islanders/Africans have a large percentage of driven strivers also.
New York was always a destination city for the most ambitious migrants and immigrants.
 

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What happens next could make the process even more confusing to navigate. Or it could have the surprising consequence of making schools more diverse — if de Blasio and Chancellor Richard Carranza decide to act.


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After coronavirus: Admissions for NYC’s ‘screened’ schools could change, possibly spurring more student diversity - BKLYNER
What happens next could make the process even more confusing to navigate. Or it could have the surprising consequence of making schools more diverse — if de Blasio and Chancellor Richard Carranza decide to act.
 

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Should a Single Test Decide a 4-Year-Old’s Educational Future?

Should a Single Test Decide a 4-Year-Old’s Educational Future?

To get into a gifted and talented elementary school program in New York City, children must ace a single, high-stakes exam — when they are 4 years old.

This admissions process is now a flash point in an escalating debate over how to desegregate the nation’s largest school district.

Although New York’s school district has mostly black and Hispanic students, the city’s gifted classes are made up of about three-quarters white and Asian students. Experts say the single-exam admissions process for such young children is an extremely unusual practice that may be the only one of its kind nationwide.

Every January, roughly 15,000 4-year-olds walk into testing centers across the city. On the exam, they are asked to finish patterns: For example, if children are shown a triangle, a square and a triangle in sequence, they are asked to name what shape comes next. They are also asked to solve simple arithmetic problems and define words.

Children have to score at least in the 90th percentile on the exam to be considered for a gifted program in their neighborhoods. Because of the high demand, students typically have to score in the 99th percentile to qualify for one of five even more selective programs, which are among the best-performing schools in the system. Each year, around 3,600 students are eligible for one of the roughly 80 gifted programs in total.

The future of New York’s gifted programs was thrown into question last week, when a panel appointed by Mayor Bill de Blasio to study the issue recommended that the city scrap its current gifted classes along with the entrance exam.

Mr. de Blasio immediately distanced himself from the panel’s proposals after they were released, and has not taken a position on the admissions process. Jane Meyer, a spokeswoman for the mayor, said on Tuesday that there would be no changes this year to gifted programs. She added that the exam is “under review” but declined to comment on the mayor’s position on the test.

Politically, changing the admissions practice may be an appealing middle ground on a polarizing issue.

Even proponents of gifted education say New York’s current admissions system is flawed and offers advantages to parents who have the savvy and the resources to navigate the confusing process.

“New York has had one of the worst histories on this issue,” said Gary Orfield, a prominent researcher on school segregation and the co-director of the Civil Rights Project at the University of California, Los Angeles. “If you want to do anything except give special advantages to people who already have special advantages, tests aren’t the way to do it.”

Mr. de Blasio’s school diversity panel recommended that the city replace its elementary gifted programs with magnet schools and enrichment programs that do not require exams for entry. The city should also scrap most academic prerequisites for admission into middle schools, the group said.

It may take the mayor months to issue a decision on the proposal. But even if he doesn’t eliminate gifted classes altogether, which would amount to a seismic change for the district, he almost surely will face pressure to change how young children gain entry into the programs.

Mr. de Blasio has spent much of the last year railing against the city’s practice of using a single standardized test to determine entry into its elite high schools, which enroll tiny numbers of black and Hispanic students.

Though the specialized school exam has kindled a fiery uproar about race, class and opportunity in New York, the more obscure test that sorts 4-year-olds each year into gifted schools could force a broader reckoning.

The city’s current gifted enrollment system was developed by former Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg in an attempt to help diversify schools.

But the plan backfired, resulting in the closing of many gifted classes in black and Hispanic neighborhoods as fewer students of color met the new requirements.


That process has set New York apart from school districts across the country. Most prominent cities and counties nationwide no longer rely on a single exam for such young children.

“It’s not as if, in moving away from the test for 4-year-olds, New York City will be joining a brave new world for public education,” said Richard Kahlenberg, a senior fellow at the left-leaning Century Foundation and one of the diversity panel’s members. “New York City will just be joining the rest of the United States.”

The districts around the country that have maintained their gifted classes while integrating them share practices that New York has not embraced.

Students in other districts are often not tested until at least kindergarten, and sometimes not until third grade.

Children who are assessed for gifted classes are given multiple tests or graded on several criteria. And many districts test every student, not just those who apply.

Without that approach, wide disparities are all but inevitable, experts said.

In New York, nearly 1,800 4-year-olds in Manhattan’s largely white and wealthy District 2 took the gifted entrance exam earlier this year. Only 66 students in District 7, an overwhelmingly low-income black and Hispanic neighborhood that includes the South Bronx, took it.

After the city’s kindergarten gifted classes are filled, only a small number of seats are available in later grades for students to enter the programs.

Sally Krisel, president of the National Association for Gifted Children, remembered that when she started working in Hall County, a suburban district north of Atlanta, an official said he would remove the district’s exam for gifted admissions “only over his dead body.”

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Richard A. Carranza, the city’s schools chancellor, said on Tuesday that the current gifted admissions system “leaves out students.” Credit...Gabriela Bhaskar for The New York Times
Two decades later, Ms. Krisel has helped create a system that uses several measures, including classroom performance along with some tests, to assess giftedness. The number of Hispanic children in the gifted classes ballooned to 534 children in 2017, from 120 in 2007.

Ms. Krisel, who believes New York should change its admissions process, said she “did not know of another place in this country” that also relies on one standardized measure to assess 4-year-olds.

Aurora, Colo., a largely low-income suburb of Denver, saw its gifted programs look much more like the school district itself after officials started assessing more children for gifted classes.

Last year, some of Aurora’s schools participated in a program testing all students above second grade for giftedness. The top scoring students on the first exam from each school then took a second exam to qualify, which led to a boost in black and Hispanic representation in gifted programs of between eight and nine points each. White representation in gifted programs fell, and is now closer to white enrollment in the district overall.

In addition, the district’s gifted programs now include more girls, more students with disabilities and more students learning English.

As part of a wide-ranging integration plan, San Antonio now assesses all of its students for gifted instruction at multiple grades up to 5th grade, using several measures. But the district has mostly moved away from selective schools, and has instead created more magnet schools.

The city’s gifted students can get some separate instruction throughout the day.

“What we don’t do is create an entire school or floor where they are just hanging out by themselves, away from everyone else,” said Mohammed Choudhury, the district’s chief innovation officer, referring to gifted students. San Antonio was named a model district by Mr. de Blasio’s school diversity group.

Montgomery County in Maryland also began screening all of its third-grade students — about 12,000 children — for gifted classes last year.

The large, mostly high-performing district also now relies more on classroom performance and less on exams to determine giftedness. Those programs, which are no longer officially called schools for the “highly gifted,” now enroll significantly more students of color and low-income children.

Even cities that use a test as the sole means of admissions have methods of attracting diverse student bodies. Chicago fills about a third of its kindergarten gifted classes with the children who scored highest on an exam, and then selects the top performers from four different socio-economic tiers.

New York does have a small pilot program, created by Mr. de Blasio’s former schools chancellor, Carmen Fariña, which uses several criteria to enroll students from mostly black and Hispanic neighborhoods into third-grade gifted programs. While those classes are diverse, they only enroll about 370 students from third through fifth grade.

It is not clear if the city will expand that program.

In the meantime, thousands of parents are preparing for this winter’s exam — some at a huge cost.

One center located on Manhattan’s Park Avenue advertises “early test preparation” for children as young as 18 months, followed by as many as 16 tutoring sessions for the kindergarten gifted exam at a cost of up to $4,000.

Mark Miller, a Brooklyn parent whose two children attend gifted and talented classes, said he supports the programs, but he called the test “absurd.”

Joyce Szuflita, a New York schools consultant who talks to groups of parents about gifted admissions, said many families are fed up with the high-stress process.

“When I say testing 4-year-olds is idiotic, the entire room erupts in laughter and applause,” she said. “Everyone knows this is crazy.”

Should a Single Test Decide a 4-Year-Old’s Educational Future?

Quiz: Could You Get Into a Gifted Program?



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:mjcry: When the sista talked about Black folks having too much faith in the DOE that hit home.

This was a good video. I'm familiar with the Black woman featured in the video (not the parent)She can only talk about her personal experiences dealing with parents in NYC, but my experience(in another state and decades ago) was different.

I don't think it's faith in the DOE, but moreso a lack of resourcefulness that's the cause of parents not knowing about opportunities for their children. Proactive parenting leads to people understanding the situation they are in, and trying to improve their child's situation. Whether that's summer camps, enrichment programs, etc. Too often, parents with kids who get good grades are content with that, not thinking that their kids aren't always be competing with people from their neighborhood in life.

Also, my personal experiences the line she sees between immigrant parents and AA parents didn't exist to the extent that the woman said. The line was between the proactive parents and the complacent ones. In fact, because of the language barrier ,some immigrant parents couldn't be as active in their children's educational development as they would have liked.
 

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UPDATE JUNE 2020
FREE SHSAT TEST PREP & VIRTUAL TUTORING FOR ALL


Steven Patzer Secured a $3 Million Donation in SHSAT Prep Materials for Public School Students https://shorefrontnews.com/author/admin/

JUNE 1, 2020


This afternoon, Brooklyn community leader Steven Patzer & local education provider ArgoPrep took an actionable step towards fixing some of the long-standing inequities in education at a press conference at the Lafayette Educational Campus in Brooklyn, where they announced a donation of FREE SHSAT Prep courses and virtual weekend tutoring sessions for every single NYC-area student studying for the highly-competitive Specialized High School Exam (SHSAT).

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The donation aims to serve as an equalizer amongst disadvantaged and minority students.
Tai Abrams, CEO of the AdmissionSquad nonprofit, also spoke at the press conference along with eighth-grader John Chandler of Harlem – one of only 10 black students who will be entering Stuyvesant High School in September – and seventh-grader Omolara Falebita who will be utilizing ArgoPrep’s donated SHSAT Prep courses ahead of the fall exam.
PRESS CONFERENCE VIDEO & HIGH-RES IMAGES
HIGHLIGHTS / PULL QUOTES

  • Brooklyn community leader Steven Patzer & Anayet Chowdhury, CEO of Brooklyn-based education provider, ArgoPrep, today announced a donation of free SHSAT Prep tutoring and weekend Zoom tutoring sessions for every single NYC-area student — roughly 30,000 students citywide.
  • The donation (valued at approx. $3 million) is an actionable step towards fixing long-standing inequities in education and aims to serve as an equalizer amongst disadvantaged and minority students.
  • Now is the time that students begin studying for the highly-competitive fall SHSAT exam, however for many students, the cost of a SHSAT Prep is far out of economic reach.
  • Community leader Steven Patzer, who organized the press conference, has been working hard across the district to find opportunities for supplemental education for students needing extra help:
    • “Having an extra $2,000 for a private test prep course shouldn’t determine the quality of a student’s educational future. We have to do something to level the playing field for students who can’t afford test prep.”
    • [SHSAT Prep] has uplifted thousands of students, and it can uplift thousands more, with the city’s adequate support for test prep opportunities.” [VIDEO]:
  • Tai Abrams, CEO of AdmissionSquad, which offers tutoring to underserved communities, accepted the donation for 150 of the students served by the nonprofit [VIDEO]
    • With the help of ArgoPrep’s donation, this year, we’re going to be able to double the number of students we’ll be able to serve by providing a summer program to 150 minority students.”
  • Eighth-grader John Chandler of Harlem – one of only 10 black students accepted into Stuyvesant High School this fall said: [VIDEO]
    • We can do it. We just need access to prep test materials that are as good as AdmissionSquad’s and as good as ArgoPrep’s. This opportunity, with the 30,000 free accounts, it’s immeasurable, how much it’s going to do for our community.”
  • Black and Hispanic students remain vastly underrepresented in specialized high schools.
    • Black and Latino students make up about 70% of NYC high school students, yet only about 10% were offered seats in specialized high schools
    • In recent years, of the 75% of high school students who were considered low-income, only 40% were offered seats in specialized high schools.
    • Infographic (Source: NYC DOE)
  • Seventh-grader Omolara Falebita of Crown Heights, Brooklyn, who will be using ArgoPrep’s donated SHSAT Prep courses, also attended & spoke [VIDEO]:
    • “It’s time to fix the inequities in our public education system.”
  • Said ArgoPrep CEO & Co-Founder Anayet Chowdhury [VIDEO]:
    • “I grew up in an extremely low-income family, so I know firsthand how important education access is.”

  • Tai Abrams described the economic hardships many of her students face, sharing a story of a mother who lost her job; her daughter, Maria, still dreams of attending a specialized high school. [VIDEO]
    • “There are more students like Maria sprinkled across the city. That is why we have to help.”
  • Today’s announcement comes on the heels of ArgoPrep’s recent donation of $1 million in their award-winning K-8 Math & ELA educational resources for teachers and students amid COVID-19 school closures.
Free ArgoPrep SHSAT Prep:

  • Every NYC-area student who registers will receive access to the following (no student will be turned away)::
  • A free 3-month subscription to ArgoPrep’s Comprehensive SHSAT Prep Online Platform
    • For students who cannot afford to continue the program past the first three months, ArgoPrep will extend their account for an additional free three months
  • Free access to weekly Zoom tutoring sessions, taught each Sunday at 12:00 p.m. EST by ArgoPrep CEO & Co-Founder Anayet Chowdhury
 

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How does this post make any sense?
The poster said that at BMCC (Borough of Manhattan Community College) that there were so many Asian students that he thought he was in Shanghai.
Brooklyn is over a third Black, and about 10% Asian.

The US has the best system in the world. There's a disproportional number of people trying to get into our schools. Local demographics don't mean shyt. People from overseas will go to a community college in rural Wyoming if that's what it takes to get here.
 

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The US has the best system in the world. There's a disproportional number of people trying to get into our schools. Local demographics don't mean shyt. People from overseas will go to a community college in rural Wyoming if that's what it takes to get here.
Thread is about NYC, though. Here are the demographics for the city

New York City Demographics
According to the most recent ACS, the racial composition of New York City was:

  • White: 42.73%
  • Black or African American: 24.31%
  • Other race: 14.75%
  • Asian: 14.09%
  • Two or more races: 3.63%
  • Native American: 0.43%
  • Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander: 0.06%
Source
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/newyorkcitynewyork


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