The skill gap.

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http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/plenty-job-openings-not-194424446.html


We need to train people(which requires motivating them) to learn these skills rather than trying to make burger flipping worth more than it is, and sending these good jobs overseas.
My sister-in-law has a college degree and a teaching license. She's a retard and doesn't use either. Doesn't even leverage the use of her degree to get a job. She's unemployed and has a part-time job. Hasn't had a full-time job in over a year and a half and quit her last job where she was working full-time. On top of that, she quit when the job market was bad. On top of that, she had filed for bankruptcy and her home was foreclosed not to long before that. She's just dumb.

So, you are right. We should train people. Either they don't know how to get the training, can't afford the training, don't know that these openings exist or are not motivated to get the training. For the last one, it's a lost cause.
 

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Article says "The problem, however, is that new jobs that pay well are increasingly different from old jobs, and they tend to require skills the unemployed don't have. They often involve technology, healthcare or skilled tradework that can’t be outsourced, such as plumbing and welding. Retraining programs can help some displaced workers make the leap, but good jobs these days tend to be centered near tech hubs and Sun Belt cities with a growing population. The worst pockets of unemployment, however, are often in shrinking metropolises such as Detroit and other 20th-century industrial zones. Migrating from one to the other can be costly and disruptive."

How do you retrain a workforce that has been in construction or manufacturing for years and years? Is it even feasible without a lot of government subsidies to send people into job training programs or college? And then even if you do all that, it seems that the people who are unemployed would need to move to the Sun Belt states where the jobs are. Companies are not going to wait for all this to happen. They will simply hire from overseas. If we don't start redirecting high schoolers and college students into business and STEM careers, these high paying jobs will just go to foreigners. But this redirection requires our education system to improve the quality of math and science instruction.

This is a complex problem. It will take years to solve or maybe it never gets solved and the labor market eventually becomes truly global. If that happens the poor and middle class in the US are in serious trouble. Sorry for he long rant but this is higher learning right? I should be able to get away with a couple paragraph post every now and then.
 

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This is a complex problem. It will take years to solve or maybe it never gets solved and the labor market eventually becomes truly global. If that happens the poor and middle class in the US are in serious trouble. Sorry for he long rant but this is higher learning right? I should be able to get away with a couple paragraph post every now and then.

Absolutely.

Government isnt needed though. Without the accessibility of college(created by government), trade schools would be a much bigger deal, and a way to transition and prepare people for many of these high tech jobs.

Its a very complex issue, and there is no perfect fix... but something has to be done. :lupe:
 

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There is no skills gap, that's just an excuse employers use not to hire people when the actual reason is that they just don't want to (ie. they're cheap). If there was really such a thing then we'd be seeing training programs.



Last week’s disappointing unemployment report has refocused attention on the question of why, despite modest signs of economic recovery in recent months, American companies aren’t hiring.


Indeed, some of the most puzzling stories to come out of the Great Recession are the many claims by employers that they cannot find qualified applicants to fill their jobs, despite the millions of unemployed who are seeking work. Beyond the anecdotes themselves is survey evidence, most recently from Manpower, which finds roughly half of employers reporting trouble filling their vacancies.

The first thing that makes me wonder about the supposed “skill gap” is that, when pressed for more evidence, roughly 10% of employers admit that the problem is really that the candidates they want won’t accept the positions at the wage level being offered. That’s not a skill shortage, it’s simply being unwilling to pay the going price.

(MORE: Why Aren’t There More Jobs?)

But the heart of the real story about employer difficulties in hiring can be seen in the Manpower data showing that only 15% of employers who say they see a skill shortage say that the issue is a lack of candidate knowledge, which is what we’d normally think of as skill. Instead, by far the most important shortfall they see in candidates is a lack of experience doing similar jobs. Employers are not looking to hire entry-level applicants right out of school. They want experienced candidates who can contribute immediately with no training or start-up time. That’s certainly understandable, but the only people who can do that are those who have done virtually the same job before, and that often requires a skill set that, in a rapidly changing world, may die out soon after it is perfected.

One of my favorite examples of the absurdity of this requirement was a job advertisement for a cotton candy machine operator – not a high-skill job – which required that applicants “demonstrate prior success in operating cotton candy machines.” The most perverse manifestation of this approach is the many employers who now refuse to take applicants from unemployed candidates, the rationale being that their skills must be getting rusty.

Another way to describe the above situation is that employers don’t want to provide any training for new hires — or even any time for candidates to get up to speed. A 2011 Accenture survey found that only 21% of U.S. employees had received any employer-provided formal training in the past five years. Does it make sense to keep vacancies unfilled for months to avoid having to give new hires with less-than-perfect skills time to get up to speed?

Employers further complicated the hiring process by piling on more and more job requirements, expecting that in a down market a perfect candidate will turn up if they just keep looking. One job seeker I interviewed in my own research described her experience trying to land “one post that has gone unfilled for nearly a year, asking the candidate to not only be the human resources expert but the marketing, publishing, project manager, accounting and finance expert. When I asked the employer if it was difficult to fill the position, the response was ‘yes but we want the right fit.’”

(MORE: The Wimpy Economic Recovery: Is it Turning into a Recession?)

Another factor that contributes to the perception of a skills gap is that most employers now use software to handle job applications, adding rigidity to the process that screens out all but the theoretically perfect candidate. Most systems, for example, now ask potential applicants what wage they are seeking — and toss out those who put down a figure higher than the employer wants. That’s hardly a skill problem. Meanwhile, applicants are typically assessed almost entirely on prior experience and credentials, and a failure to meet any one of the requirements leads to elimination. One manager told me that in his company 25,000 applicants had applied for a standard engineering job, yet none were rated as qualified. How could that be? Just put in enough of these yes/no requirements and it becomes mathematically unlikely that anyone will get through.

What do we do about this situation, where jobs are going unfilled while good candidates are out there? For starters, employers should ask themselves whether their current practices are truly working for them. Then they need to ask: Wouldn’t we be better off helping good candidates complete the requirements to be a perfect fit rather than keeping positions open indefinitely?

A generation ago, employers routinely hired people right out of school and were willing to provide almost all their skills. Apprenticeships and similar programs provided ways for the employees to essentially pay for the training themselves. Employers — and especially those who expect colleges to provide most of their skills — should also work more closely with educational institutions to develop the candidates they need.

It makes no sense to expect that a supplier will produce what you want if you give it no advanced warning of what that might be and no help developing it. But the first step is to recognize that this problem is self-inflicted.


Read more: http://business.time.com/2012/06/04...ompanies-cant-find-good-people/#ixzz2e3p03tSS


http://www4.uwm.edu/ced/publications/skillsgap_2013-2.cfm

  • The consensus among top economists is that the skills gap is a myth. High unemployment is mainly the result of a deficiency in aggregate demand and slow economic growth, not because workers lack the right education or skills. The skills of the labor force did not suddenly erode between 2007 and 2009, when the unemployment rate more than doubled, so it makes no sense to claim that high unemployment in 2009 and through today has been caused by a soaring number of "unqualified" workers. As Stanford University economist Edward Lazear put it: "The structure of a modern economy does not change that quickly."
  • This conclusion, rejecting the skills gap/structural unemployment theory, has been confirmed in numerous recent studies, from: a) university economists at Stanford, the University of California-Berkeley, Duke, MIT, and the University of Pennsylvania; and b) researchers at the Brookings Institution, the Economic Policy Institute, the Center for Economic and Policy Research, the Federal Reserve Banks of Atlanta, Boston, and Chicago, and the Boston Consulting Group. Two recent Nobel Laureates in economics and two former heads of the President's Council of Economic Advisers thoroughly reject the skills gap as an explanation for persistently high joblessness.
  • Most tellingly, more than three years after the official end of the Great Recession, there remain over three times as many unemployed workers as job openings in the US. Even if every unemployed person were perfectly matched to existing jobs, over 2/3 of all jobless would still be out of work. And this calculation understates the jobs shortage, as it does not include discouraged workers or those involuntarily working part-time.


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There is no skills gap, that's just an excuse employers use not to hire people when the actual reason is that they just don't want to (ie. they're cheap). If there was really such a thing then we'd be seeing training programs.






http://www4.uwm.edu/ced/publications/skillsgap_2013-2.cfm




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Wait so employees are opting to not work at all rather than take a job at the rates being offered? :dwillhuh:


:ohhh: So they are unemployed by choice?














:what:This sense of entitlement to certain pay getting out of hand...
I wonder if they would be rejecting those jobs if taxpayers weren't going to be supporting them :mjpls:
 

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and :bryan: @ the article suggesting employers should just settle for whats comin in the door.

Top economists' opinions >>> Yours

Also, I'm lead to doubt you read the article. The problem is that, due to unrealistic requirements, employers are passing up perfectly good candidates (that they would have hired before) due to risk-aversion and the fact that they don't want to pay for the cost of training anyone (which employers used to do in times past). You really think that out of 25,000 candidates, none were qualified for a normal engineering job? :comeon:

And it has nothing to do with people being unemployed by choice. They screen out candidates who ask for more than they want to pay.


And if there's such a huge "skill gap", where was it before the recession? The American workforce all of a sudden lost all their skills over the course of a couple years? :stopitslime:
 

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THIS WILL SOUND PARANOID, BUT I HAVE STARTED TO SUSPECT THAT DEAD7 IS PAID TO POST AN AGENDA, BROTHER! WE ALREADY KNOW THAT SUCH ONLINE SHILLS EXIST, DUDE! IN FACT, HOLLYWOOD IS GOING TO MAKE A THREAD ON IT RIGHT NOW, MEAN GENE!
 

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Top economists' opinions >>> Yours

Also, I'm lead to doubt you read the article. The problem is that, due to unrealistic requirements, employers are passing up perfectly good candidates (that they would have hired before) due to risk-aversion and the fact that they don't want to pay for the cost of training anyone (which employers used to do in times past). You really think that out of 25,000 candidates, none were qualified for a normal engineering job? :comeon:

And it has nothing to do with people being unemployed by choice. They screen out candidates who ask for more than they want to pay.


And if there's such a huge "skill gap", where was it before the recession? The American workforce all of a sudden lost all their skills over the course of a couple years? :stopitslime:

We can agree to disagree. Since posting the opinions of top economist on both sides of the issue will do little to change either of our minds, and the vague nature of these "unrealistic requirements" makes them uncontestable...



So lets say you're right.:patrice: and employers don't want to pay employees more(assumedly since cheaper labor can be found offshore). Does the government forcing them to pay the employees they have more encourage them to higher more workers? or reduce the size of their workforce? :ld:


and do you think there is something wrong with the owners of private business's screening out those asking for more than they want to pay?:leostare:
 

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Do you guys think it is the responsibility of the employers to train applicants? :what:

If you own a private business, and don't -need- to higher anyone but are looking at applications, wouldn't you be looking for some one exceptional?:what:
 

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THIS WILL SOUND PARANOID, BUT I HAVE STARTED TO SUSPECT THAT DEAD7 IS PAID TO POST AN AGENDA, BROTHER! WE ALREADY KNOW THAT SUCH ONLINE SHILLS EXIST, DUDE! IN FACT, HOLLYWOOD IS GOING TO MAKE A THREAD ON IT RIGHT NOW, MEAN GENE!
Being objective or going against the status quo will always present this sort stuff. I guess just accepting liberal talking points and demanding min wage be $25/hr would unretard me... :deadrose:


Besides what fun would it be to only converse with people who agreed with you? :ld:
 
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