The Rwandan Genocide: 30 Years Later…

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/04/05/in_central_african_republic_a_lesson_in_hate.html

The Seleka is not a Muslim movement, although most of its members are Muslims from the north, as well as mercenaries from Chad and Sudan; most of its victims have been Christians.

This is what I'm scared of: People from other tribes/nations join in on false notions that it's a religious war. UN need to have border controls were they reject any non-CAR or regional citizens into the country.

Also, I didn't like that the article kept referring to their religious association after accurately stating that this was not a religious issue. Goes against the whole purpose of denouncing misconceptions of ignorant assertions like "Africans always fight because of tribal or religious conflicts".

“It’s an exercise in community building, it’s this us-and-them and we will purify ourselves by eliminating you. And also, we will all be implicated and so implication will be meaningless.”

Perfect analysis...

 

[Exit9NJturnpike]

Never knew how much cacs and white supremacy played in this. fukk them devils

 

[Danie84]

This genocide happened on Clinton's watch, and he stood back and did nothing

 

[Kritic]

This genocide happened on Clinton's watch, and he stood back and did nothing

when i got into politics heavy in 08, i was on the barack wagon for about 3 months. but i hopped off it. it wasn't for me. i decided i'm just gonna get back to my clinton being the goat. but after even him admitting he was wrong on this rwanda thing i stopped messing with him.

we all get to know the truth after it's too late.

 

[mbewane]

Here's some vids/stories on it....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/2014/newsspec_6954/index.html RNS yall need to read this
http://allafrica.com/view/resource/main/main/id/00081217.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/04/140402-rwanda-genocide-anniversary/

Considering what's going on in C.A.R., South Sudan, and Darfur today, do yall think the world has learned from this sad episode in human history?

Out of all Europeans they were the most consistently brutal as far as I'm concerned. Germans and Italians got in the game too late to test the limits of their savagery although they came strong with it, but the French speakers were fukkin sick. Belgians in particular get all my contempt, I truly hate King Leopold and anyone that love him. The later acts of intervention by the Belgians(and Americans) especially regarding Patrice Lumumba was even more sickening. al Jazeera had some good programs on French involvement in Africa, fukk them.

While there's is no defending the meddling of France and Belgium in various african countries, let's try to stay a little level-headed on this one. Former french colonies like Senegal, Burkina Faso, Gabon, Cameroon, Congo-Brazzaville, Togo etc are not doing too bad for themselves. And Belgium political involvment in it's former colonies has been surpassed since the Genocide by France and the US.

Germans tested their concentration camps in Namibia, and Italians just didn't manage to crush Ethiopia, it's not that they didn't want to though.

Concerning CAR, the situations are vastly different. The tutsi/hutu separation was an official one under the Belgian rule, there was nothing similar in CAR. And in CAR you have various ethnic groups, whereas in Rwanda it's like 85-15 % between just two groups; in CAR the biggest group is about 40 % of the population I believe. Plus, Rwanda is tiny, meaning tensions are hightened. CAR is as big as France and Belgium combined for like 4 million inhabitants, plenty of space for everyone. And the killings in CAR were a byproduct of yet another military coup, while the genocide in Rwanda had been planned for months beforehand and was served by propaganda ("Radio Mille-Collines"), and was the end goal.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

While there's is no defending the meddling of France and Belgium in various african countries, let's try to stay a little level-headed on this one. Former french colonies like Senegal, Burkina Faso, Gabon, Cameroon, Congo-Brazzaville, Togo etc are not doing too bad for themselves. And Belgium political involvment in it's former colonies has been surpassed since the Genocide by France and the US.

Germans tested their concentration camps in Namibia, and Italians just didn't manage to crush Ethiopia, it's not that they didn't want to though.

Concerning CAR, the situations are vastly different. The tutsi/hutu separation was an official one under the Belgian rule, there was nothing similar in CAR. And in CAR you have various ethnic groups, whereas in Rwanda it's like 85-15 % between just two groups; in CAR the biggest group is about 40 % of the population I believe. Plus, Rwanda is tiny, meaning tensions are hightened. CAR is as big as France and Belgium combined for like 4 million inhabitants, plenty of space for everyone. And the killings in CAR were a byproduct of yet another military coup, while the genocide in Rwanda had been planned for months beforehand and was served by propaganda ("Radio Mille-Collines"), and was the end goal.

My stepfather went to Togo some time back, told me they poor as fukk but its a beautiful place. To me any and all meddling is unnecessary, Africa needs to develop real governance rooting in the politics of the continent and region rather than choosing between outsiders. It's cool to trade, but the people shouldn't suffer because of sweeter deals for a few.

My point was they weren't on the continent long enough for the long term effects of their strategies to be implemented like their counterparts but they were still damaging. The Italians did an excellent job of making the future Eritreans hate Ethiopia's guts and later they attempted to instigate tribal conflicts in order to break the country's unity against a common foe. The Germans and Italians did terrible things, the continent has yet to be repaired from the colonial experience. I understand CAR and Rwanda are different situations, the point is this level of lawlessness and wanton violence is an extremely slippery slope and it should be stopped. Now really isn't the time to get into particulars, a solution should just be figured out.

 

[mbewane]

My stepfather went to Togo some time back, told me they poor as fukk but its a beautiful place. To me any and all meddling is unnecessary, Africa needs to develop real governance rooting in the politics of the continent and region rather than choosing between outsiders. It's cool to trade, but the people shouldn't suffer because of sweeter deals for a few.

My point was they weren't on the continent long enough for the long term effects of their strategies to be implemented like their counterparts but they were still damaging. The Italians did an excellent job of making the future Eritreans hate Ethiopia's guts and later they attempted to instigate tribal conflicts in order to break the country's unity against a common foe. The Germans and Italians did terrible things, the continent has yet to be repaired from the colonial experience. I understand CAR and Rwanda are different situations, the point is this level of lawlessness and wanton violence is an extremely slippery slope and it should be stopped. Now really isn't the time to get into particulars, a solution should just be figured out.

Ok i get your point better then.

I've had central africans go to Togo and they were impressed at how it was there (I've never been), so it tells you how fukked up CAR has been for a long time.

One point, we must not overlook intra-African meddling, which was/is quite big in DRC (Rwanda, SA, Uganda to name a few) and in CAR (Chad, Congo-Brazzaville, DRC...). Just something to keep in mind when discussing these issues. The current crisis in CAR is as much Chad as it is France (actually France did NOT want to intervene against Bozizé -whom had been abandonned by ALL his allies in the region- nor against Séléka, precisely because they...did not want to be seen as meddling once again).

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Ok i get your point better then.

I've had central africans go to Togo and they were impressed at how it was there (I've never been), so it tells you how fukked up CAR has been for a long time.

One point, we must not overlook intra-African meddling, which was/is quite big in DRC (Rwanda, SA, Uganda to name a few) and in CAR (Chad, Congo-Brazzaville, DRC...). Just something to keep in mind when discussing these issues. The current crisis in CAR is as much Chad as it is France (actually France did NOT want to intervene against Bozizé -whom had been abandonned by ALL his allies in the region- nor against Séléka, precisely because they...did not want to be seen as meddling once again).

Yeah, the regional conflict is definitely playing a role. I think things like this speak to a much bigger issue that needs to be remedied.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[Pressure]

I’m certain we can discuss their history without trying to shoehorn Israel and Hamas into it.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Cut the tall trees

 

[FAH1223]

I’m certain we can discuss their history without trying to shoehorn Israel and Hamas into it.

Israel supplying weapons is a part of the story. No shoehorning.

 

[Pressure]

Israel supplying weapons is a part of the story. No shoehorning.

fukk out of here. The genocide was a direct result of the civil war and a terror attack.

I get it, you were probably 5 when this happened. But y’all sound deranged.

And the reason I said shoehorn because I see no mention of the major suppliers of arms.

 

[Pressure]

Exactly. I never understood how France, Belgium etc tend to get a pass for their colossal failure in West/Central Africa and the Caribbean.
The impact of their fukked up colonial and post-colonial policies have repeatedly derailed any type of progress countries like the Congo and Haiti

This is a great question.

 

[FAH1223]

fukk out of here. The genocide was a direct result of the civil war and a terror attack.

I get it, you were probably 5 when this happened. But y’all sound deranged.

And the reason I said shoehorn because I see no mention of the major suppliers of arms.

It’s not deranged.

The Israelis are right there arming the worst of the worst in some form or fashion. Antony Lewenstein’s book on arms exports by Israelis is something you should read.