The Russia - Ukraine Conflict

[Adeptus Astartes]

Public opinion/media propoganda. The people aren't going to accept/understand NATO expansion as a good reason for war but everyone hates Nazis and bioweapons.

The United States made the Nazi excuse easy to legitimize since us leaders were/are funding and gassing up Nazis/white nationalists in the Ukraine to fight Russians prior to invasion. They were literally shelling Russians in east Russia racking up 15000 bodies.

Not to mention Russia ate 2 NATO expansions that they weren't happy with. Couple that with the UK flying a battleship through the black Sea and the us flying a bomber near Russian borders, from their perspective it was time to popoff. Basing this on the 2008 stance where Russia said expansion will lead to war.

The us would do the same thing if china attempted to expand an eastern allied military institution from the bottom of central America to Mexico and controlled a quarter of Mexico with military weapons installed.

Propoganda in the media is for the people. Leaders understand what it is. Liberals have trouble understanding why someone doesn't act like they do.

So you admit his NATO reason was weak as fukk. If he really wanted the smoke, he'd pull up on the Baltic states who are actually IN NATO. All this invasion does is give more nations reason to join and justifies membership of late coming members. Putin has been butthurt since the 90s. Maybe if they allowed elections, a cold war relic wouldn't still be in power, and Russia themselves could have joined the alliance like they wanted to do decades ago.

The nazi thing would never fly, given Russias backing of right wing extremists worldwide, including in the US.

Eastern Ukrainians decided they'd stage a CSA secession. Ukraine wanted them back. Unfortunate that people got killed, but that happens

There are Communist allied nations near America like Venezuela and Cuba. We've definitely fukked with them, but we haven't invaded them (notable exception being the Bay of Pigs)

The Americas don't have the same history as the USSR, so your comparison isn't particularly accurate.

NATO allied nations haven't done shyt to Russia aside from sactions in response to the annexation of Crimea and eastern Ukraine. The Russians have been fukking with the US for years with their cyberattacks, subversive propaganda campaigns to sow discord, and funding dissident groups and politicians. Should we go to war with Russia over that?

 

[Max.]

The idiots broke all the cell towers and now their encrypted communications don't work so they need to use old fashioned unencrypted radios which makes it easy to identify, locate and target the command structure


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[gho3st]

bytch in the middle is fine

 

[Strapped]

bytch in the middle is fine

Not into pawgs

 

[Mowgli]

So you admit his NATO reason was weak as fukk. If he really wanted the smoke, he'd pull up on the Baltic states who are actually IN NATO. All this invasion does is give more nations reason to join and justifies membership of late coming members. Putin has been butthurt since the 90s. Maybe if they allowed elections, a cold war relic wouldn't still be in power, and Russia themselves could have joined the alliance like they wanted to do decades ago.

The nazi thing would never fly, given Russias backing of right wing extremists worldwide, including in the US.

Eastern Ukrainians decided they'd stage a CSA secession. Ukraine wanted them back. Unfortunate that people got killed, but that happens

There are Communist allied nations near America like Venezuela and Cuba. We've definitely fukked with them, but we haven't invaded them (notable exception being the Bay of Pigs)

The Americas don't have the same history as the USSR, so your comparison isn't particularly accurate.

NATO allied nations haven't done shyt to Russia aside from sactions in response to the annexation of Crimea and eastern Ukraine. The Russians have been fukking with the US for years with their cyberattacks, subversive propaganda campaigns to sow discord, and funding dissident groups and politicians. Should we go to war with Russia over that?

We are still in Iraq over a lie with no plans to leave. I don't think in what's legitimate and what isn't because nations as big as the US and Russia impose their will on others and may the best will win. Whoever has an issue with it gets the propoganda arm of their nations called, the media. You think in fairy tales with good guys vs bad guys like a little kid. The game doesn't work like that.

Europe is America's little bro right now. Without the us nato doesn't exist because Europe has no power to enforce shyt and can barely protect themselves in their own backyard.

American leadership want liberal hegemony throughout Europe and Russia is a direct competitor. Whatever happens is in the game.

After the USSR collapsed The US and Russia have been trying to subvert each other's governments since NATO went into Yugoslavia without clearance from the UN.

You mentioned why don't they fight over the other Baltic states. Russia ate that. Why I dont know but I guess to them? Ukraine is to far. It's not a good enough reason for you. Ok well. . We aren't the heads of state.

Russian leadership drew the line in the sand in 2008 and their direct competitors went past that line and here we are.

Venezuela / Cuba are not in central america and Cuba already got checked for getting to close to Russia. We almost had a nuclear war ..... Monroe Doctrine.

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

We are still in Iraq over a lie with no plans to leave. I don't think in what's legitimate and what isn't because nations as big as the US and Russia impose their will on others and may the best will win. Whoever has an issue with it gets the propoganda arm of their nations called, the media. You think in fairy tales with good guys vs bad guys like a little kid. The game doesn't work like that.

Europe is America's little bro right now. Without the us nato doesn't exist because Europe has no power to enforce shyt and can barely protect themselves in their own backyard.

American leadership want liberal hegemony throughout Europe and Russia is a direct competitor. Whatever happens is in the game.

After the USSR collapsed The US and Russia have been trying to subvert each other's governments since NATO went into Yugoslavia without clearance from the UN.

You mentioned why don't they fight over the other Baltic states. Russia ate that. Why I dont know but I guess to them? Ukraine is to far. It's not a good enough reason for you. Ok well. . We aren't the heads of state.

Russian leadership drew the line in the sand in 2008 and their direct competitors went past that line and here we are.

Venezuela / Cuba are not in central america and Cuba already got checked for getting to close to Russia. We almost had a nuclear war ..... Monroe Doctrine.

You keep acting like this shyt isn't a zero sum and you're somehow above it all. It's also hilarious that a self proclaimed conservative is playing the moral relativist. it's not hard to say that authoritarians invading a sovereign country on flimsy/false pretenses is wrong.

Yes, Europe is effectively under our protection. Thanks for stating the obvious. Europe should step up some more.

Liberal hegemony? Poland, Turkey, etc are extremely conservative.

Putin needs to get the fukk over Yugoslavia. That whole situation seems to be exacerbated by the lack of elections in Russia.

It's not about what's too far for me, it's too far for most significant heads of state.

Cuba is still Communist. We drew the line at nukes. Diplomacy worked.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

We are still in Iraq

 

[Max.]

 

[Mowgli]

Can you say that in English brother

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Actual, smart move. Gotta respect their bullshyt 90s hustle

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[Jekyll]

Lol Russia is where the piracy gets hosted because they never gave a fukk. They probably just announcing this to troll.

 

[Wild self]

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now Japan gonna jump on

 

[African Peasant]

Russia is in Central African Republic training these mercenaries with their right wing natzis while committing atrocities there.

These are pawns and puppets.

i tried to tell people about Russia pulling fukk shyt in African

@African Peasant and others tried to downplay it. now they have mercenaries ready to die for cacs out the blue

To downplay what? I said it again and again that Russia has influence in CAR and Mali. But Russia has no influence on the continental level. So why are you surprised to see this? Do you learn that CAR existed with the Ukraine thing?

Beside that, a lot of people in Africa, especially in French speaking countries are sympathetic to Russia. I'm sure you don't know why tho. I will give you a lesson on that subject another day.

Im' sure when they will accuse "black slaves" of Putin of raping white women in Ukraine, like they did in Libya, you will be the first one to post it here.