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The Pyramid Texts (205), claimed the Egyptian deity Set at birth savagely tore away from his mother and is characterized as violent & disputes all things. In the Dogon myth the Pale Fox, Ogo, is the one who tore out of the womb prematurely and is associated with chaos. Both are represented as canines. Is this coincidence?
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-You whom the pregnant goddess brought forth when you clove the night in twain
- You are invested with the form of Set, who broke out in violence.
-- Pyramid Texts
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It appears that the story is also told through Plutarch. See discussion in Julian Baldikk: _Black God: The Afroasiatic Roots of the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim Religions_ page 60.


The Plutarch reference:

Plutarch, De Iside et Osiride Frank Cole Babbitt, Ed. Chapter 12:

They say that the Sun, when lie became aware of Rhea's intercourse with Cronus, invoked a curse upon her that she should not give birth to a child in any month or any year ; but Hermes, being enamoured of the goddess, consorted with her. Later, playing at draughts with the moon, he won from her the seventieth part of each of her periods of illumination, and from all the winnings he composed five days, and intercalated them as an addition to the three hundred and sixty days. The Egyptians even now call these five days intercalated and celebrate them as the birthdays of the gods. They relate that on the first of these days Osiris was born, and at the hour of his birth a voice issued forth saying, ‘The Lord of All advances to the light.’ But some relate that a certain Pamyles, while he was drawing water in Thebes, heard a voice issuing from the shrine of Zeus, which bade him proclaim with a loud voice that a mighty and beneficent king, Osiris, had been born ; and for this Cronus entrusted to him the child Osiris, which he brought up. It is in his honour that the festival of Pamylia is celebrated, a festival which resembles the phallic processions. On the second of these days Ar ueris was born whom they call Apollo, and some call him also the elder Horus. On the third day Typhon was born, but not in due season or manner, but with a blow he broke through his mother s side and leapt forth. On the fourth day Isis was born in the regions that are ever moist; and on the fifth Nephthys, to whom they give the name of Finality and the name of Aphroditê, and some also the name of Victory. There is also a tradition that Osiris and Arueris were sprung from the Sun, Isis from Hermes, and Typhon and Nephthys from Cronus. For this reason the kings considered the third of the intercalated days as inauspicious, and transacted no business on that day, nor did they give any attention to their bodies until nightfall. They relate, moreover, that Nephthys became the wife of Typhon; but Isis and Osiris were enamoured of each other and consorted together in the darkness of the womb before their birth. Some say that Arueris came from this union and was called the elder Horus by the Egyptians, but Apollo by the Greeks.


There seems to be a connection with Set and confusion as part of the story to explain the change in twins being born. The /psDt/ "Ennead" of Heliopolis starts with Atum being solo producing Shu and Tefnut (pair), who then produce a pair, Geb and Nut who then produce a pair Asar and Aset. But now suddenly Set comes forth from Geb and Nut which breaks the pattern and is related to "confusion." The expected pattern would be a pair coming from Asar and Aset.

I see in Pyramid Text PT 215 (Pyr 144b) where Set's birth is not using the word /msi/ «to bare» as it is for the other nTrw mentioned. The word used for him is /iwr/ «conceive».
 
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Good idea on the thread, I'm gonna be in here alot.

Since I woke up, I have a hard time meshing with coworkers (non black).

Especially when the police murders/aftermath come up. I learned how to stick and move in convos and they're the ones who end up getting pissed off.

I keep it business and keep it moving
:jbhmm: For those of you like me who dont own your own buisness yet, what are your go to tactics for these situations?
 

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Hearing lots of vitriol being aimed towards blacks who chose not to vote this election... just a thought blacks in this country didn't die for the right to vote they died for their liberty and justice. Voting was a mechanism in this machine of persistence our people used to pursue that but voting alone won't change racial injustice it didn't do it for the northern negro at the turn of the twentieth century and it won't do it for us today.

Instead of what was once meant to give us some power to 'manipulate the course of our lives' as some put it, contrarily has been used to manipulate us. If you're in combat and expect to win you can't go to the battlefield using the same strategy every battle without expecting your enemy to become accustomed to your methodology and using it to his advantage. We have to stop deferment of total responsibility to white daddy for the advancement of our group interest, we forget we're the b*stard child in this situation. It's a damn shame when people don't study their own history enough to want to avoid another pitfall while correcting their behavior in the present.
Malcolm X at the University of Ghana, 13 May 1964
I had to write a letter back home yesterday and tell some of my friends that if American Negroes want integration, they should come to Africa, because more white people over here—white Americans, that is—look like they are for integration than there is in the entire American country. [Laughter] But actually what it is, they want to integrate with the wealth that they know is here—the untapped natural resources which exceed the wealth of any continent on this earth today.

Personally, I believe there shouldn't be a single black person across America living in poverty right now, especially those of us who are descendants of the trans-atlantic slave trade we should be at the minimum middle class on up to filthy rich. Generation after generation of blacks born into chattel slavery... there's soooooooooo much more owed to us than a vote.
 
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The currency we have e.g. £ or $ when converted back home (Africa) is worth a lot more, so why don't we start building our own businesses, we can literally make anything happen
 

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Policy changes to enhance intra Africa trade along with granting dual citizenship to the diaspora are things we could implement to accelerate industrialization. It's like Dangote says "we Africans are making things harder for ourselves" things in our power to change that would be beneficial to us we don't do them or either lollygag the process into irrelevancy.

I mean stuff like this is of the utmost importance if we're talking about an Africa renaissance in the 21st century, without major investment of human capital Africa won't be doing itself any favor in the grand scheme of things and I can't think of a better thing to invest in than your own people. Industrial technology is constantly evolving so the larger the labor pool we have to sustain development the better opportunity it gives us to cultivate indigenous innovation and surpass our competitors.

Fragmentation is more of a benefit to non-African interests than African interests at this point, it's proving to be more of a means to controlling the resources and people for multinationals in place of hypothetical independence. Imagine if each of the fifty states seceded from the federal government, with outside influences and the divide in socioenconomics it could turn into a cowboy movie overnight. There needs to be accountability in the form of an AU structure where the assembly is regulated to congress like obligations and the ASF is centralized.

Until we deal with some of the internal issues we'll never develop at a pace to escape the clutches of neo-colonialism.
 

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Abdul Salau argues in his PhD dissertation that the ethonym "Yoruba" is actually an Egyptian name, but by way of a Hausa naming convention. The Yoru- in Yorubais the root. The Hausas called the Yara people Yarabawa. Bayarabe is the singular form for Yoruba man, and Yorubawa is plural form for Yoruba people.

The Yoruba, as a whole, is named after a Sub-clan, the Yara, living in Iyara, Kogi State, Oyo ile south of River Niger. The Hausas called the Yara people Yarabawa. The word Yara, Salau argues, comes from Egyptian /wr(t)/ which means "great, lord, god, master, etc." It is a royal name. More specifically he argues that it comes from Egyptian Great House: (Pr-Wr) ->Bw-Wr-> Wr- Bw. Egyptian W corresponds and interchanges with Yoruba Y, thus W > Y (wr > yr). Demonstrations are in the text (although I think they are rather weak).

Certain Yoruba clans living below the River Niger valley are called Yara, and Aworo. Both Yara and Aworo are ethnic or clan names, which survives in our epoch. In fact, we mentioned a place known as Iyara in Kogi State, and we note that Awori is a clan name among Egba people. The Yoruba name originally was used to refer to the people of QyQ who are Alafin or sovereigns, the title Yoruba was used to designate the QyQ who are all related to Alafin.

An issue I have with his analysis is that he doesn't explain how the -ba in Yoruba came to be. He discusses the Hausa naming convention, which is cool, but when it comes to the Yara people, he doesn't explain how the -ba just gets tacked onto the name. In other words, why would the Hausa tack on -ba to the word Yara-/Yoru-, when none of his other examples show this feature in the Hausa naming convention?

Table 1. How Hausas Make Reference to People

Example 1: Ture: (Europe: England)
Bature: (European man Masculine)
Baturiya: (European woman Feminine)
Turawa: (European Plural)
Turanci (European: English language)

Example 2: Bole: (One of the ethnic groups in Northern Nigeria)
Babole: (Masculine)
Baboliya: (Feminine)
Bolarawa: (Plural)
Bolanci (Bole language)

Example 3: Nupe: (One of the ethnic groups in Northern Nigeria)
Banupe: (Masculine)
Banupiya: (Feminine)
Nupawa: (Plural)
Nupanci (Nupe language)

Example 4: Arab
Balarabe: (Masculine)
Balarabiya: (Feminine)
Larabawa: (Plural)
Larabanci (Arabic language)

Example 5: Yara: Yoruba clan living in the Niger valley in Nigeria
Bayarabe: (Masculine)
Bayarabiya: (Feminine)
Yarabawa: (Plural)
Yarabanci (Yoruba language)
 

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Some of us needed wake up really fast... :manny:

I love my blackness and black culture as a whole, but feel like most of my fellow brehs don't give a fukk about our history.

It's sad :mjcry:

Don't get discouraged. And help those who want to help themselves.
 

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We Are the World peons thinking they're so much better than I cause they spend every christmas in Prague with their Danish boyfriend who reads Ta-Nehisi Coates and understands the Black struggle so well. :rolleyes:
 

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We Are the World peons thinking they're so much better than I cause they spend every christmas in Prague with their Danish boyfriend who reads Ta-Nehisi Coates and understands the Black struggle so well. :rolleyes:
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We Are the World peons thinking they're so much better than I cause they spend every christmas in Prague with their Danish boyfriend who reads Ta-Nehisi Coates and understands the Black struggle so well. :rolleyes:
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