The Republican National Convention Thread

[Real N Quotes]

The RNC was

 

[ExodusNirvana]

This was the Prologue.... now comes Act I

 

[Tommy Fits]

When you think about it, Clint Eastwood was the perfect representation for Republicans. A once strong figure now a pathetic joke that is inching closer to death.

 

[filial_piety]

HOLD UP!....ive looked through all the pages and i have not seen a republican response to this post.....where is it? Paul Ryan basically flat out lied.....ya'll can support your people but you cant overlook this...not to mention the whole republican "we built it" slogan is taken out of context from an obama quote.....is that all the republicans can do now is flat out lie and try and trick their base?

Article Below...

TAMPA -- Democrats pounced Wednesday when Mitt Romney's running mate, Paul Ryan, linked the December 2008 idling of General Motors' Janesville, Wis., plant in his hometown with President Barack Obama.

Obama didn't take office until the next month, and the administration, in administering the existing auto bailout, made no decisions about plant closures.

Candidate Obama, however, did make a Janesville stump speech in 2008, saying government backing of a transition to alternative energy manufacturing could save the plant and others like it.

But he didn't say it would happen or make the promise -- as Ryan's speech might suggest.

The Free Press looked at this murky issue before.

After Ryan's comments Wednesday in his Republican National Convention coming-out speech, the Free Press decided to do so again.

On both sides, the charges and countercharges regarding factual soundness are not as clear as either party might say or wish.

After taking office in January 2009, Obama did ask for more severe cost cuts from GM and Chrysler, but the choice of which plants would survive or close was made by GM and Fiat management, which took over Chrysler as part of the larger auto bailout.

Any suggestion that Obama had anything to do with the closing of GM Janesville is obviously wrong.

At the same time, that's not exactly what Ryan said in his speech.

Here's the excerpt: "My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory.

"A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008.


"Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day." Obama delivered the Janesville speech before he locked up the nomination later in 2008.

In the Feb. 13 speech that year, Obama said: "I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you've made -- how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you're churning out. And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."

He then went on to talk about his plan to invest $150 billion over 10 years "to establish a green energy sector that will create up to 5 million new jobs over the next two decades."

Obama could not have promised to keep the plant open because it's a privately owned plant. But he did say government assistance could keep it open. And even though he wasn't president, General Motors and Chrysler did get word that they would be receiving a bridge loan from the U.S. Treasury in mid-December, 2008, before the plant stopped producing GM vehicles. It continued to produce some cars for Isuzu and completely shut down mid-2009.

At the time of the loan from the George W. Bush administration, then-President-elect Obama believed auto companies needed help to survive. But he and his aides were talking more about tough rules -- not about saving Janesville, or other specific plants.

Clearly, if Obama had wanted to bring it up at that time, he could have.

The U.S. Treasury -- which is part of the Obama administration -- has owned a sizable stake in GM since 2009, so, presumably, if the president and Treasury had wanted to take a more activist role to reopen Janesville, it could have. After all, the administration called for and got the firing of then-CEO Rick Wagoner.

GM officials prefer to run their own company. But saving the plant certainly could have been discussed among the members of Obama's auto task force, if they had wanted to do so.

Full Article here The facts about Janesville GM plant's closure | General Motors news | Detroit Free Press | freep.com <<<<<<<<<<<


Cut directly from his speech on February 13, 2008 at Janesville before he became President

This can be America&#8217;s future. I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your Governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you&#8217;ve made &#8211; how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you&#8217;re churning out. And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it&#8217;s where it will thrive. I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America; right here in Wisconsin; and that&#8217;s the future I&#8217;ll fight for as your President

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Full speech here....

Obama's Speech in Janesville, Wisconsin - Council on Foreign Relations

 

[StatUS]

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You forgot the rest of Ryan's statement.

Well, as it turned out, that plant didn&#8217;t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that&#8217;s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight."

At this point it's a game of semantics but the way he spoke was to lead people to believe that Obama's recovery plan did not help keep that plant open. Fact is the plant was to be closed in Dec. 2008 before he even had a chance to put anything to save it.

 

[filial_piety]

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You forgot the rest of Ryan's statement.

At this point it's a game of semantics but the way he spoke was to lead people to believe that Obama's recovery plan did not help keep that plant open. Fact is the plant was to be closed in Dec. 2008 before he even had a chance to put anything to save it.

Nah, I didn't...the article clearly states that Ryan's statement is misleading (I highlited that part)...but it isn't completely baseless and unfounded either as Obama's troopers would suggest or the way the media made it sound. He did quote Obama word for word...that much was accurate as suggested in the article... but he didn't have anything to do with it closing either. The way this is being covered, you would have thought that Obama never set foot in the place.

All in all, there was no "flat out lie" as the liberal media religiously paints this. Misleading? Yes, to some extent he was quoted out of context, much like Obamers believe the beloved "you didn't build that" statement was.

 

[StatUS]

Nah, I didn't...the article clearly states that Ryan's statement is misleading (I highlited that part)...but it isn't completely baseless and unfounded either as Obama's troopers would suggest or the way the media made it sound. He did quote Obama word for word...that much was accurate as suggested in the article... but he didn't have anything to do with it closing either. The way this is being covered, you would have thought that Obama never set foot in the place.

All in all, there was no "flat out lie" as the liberal media religiously paints this. Misleading? Yes, to some extent he was quoted out of context, much like Obamers believe the beloved "you didn't build that" statement was.

To me and many others it's sounds like he's accusing Obama of breaking his promise to the people at the plant to keep it open.

Now if was using that plant closing as some kind of example of Obama's recovery not working than that's a bigger problem because he's using the same logical fallacies that these politicians have been spewing to mislead the public.

 

[filial_piety]

To me and many others it's sounds like he's accusing Obama of breaking his promise to the people at the plant to keep it open.

Now if was using that plant closing as some kind of example of Obama's recovery not working than that's a bigger problem because he's using the same logical fallacies that these politicians have been spewing to mislead the public.

I don't disagree that it was poor wording or a poor example on Ryan's part...but the argument that he "just lied" is simply false.

I'll compare it to the "you didn't build that line"....also poor wording...everything he said surrounding that phrase was correct but unecessary--at the pace that he was going he should have just given credit to the big bang and the orbital shifts. lol.

The problem is that he minimilzes individual effort, talent and risk taking by pointing the finger at entrepreneurs and saying "you didn't build that...somebody else made that happen." It's all just bad commentary and a poor choice of words. Soemthing to the effect of "everyone gets help" would have been more appropriate and a better choice of words that would have resonated better with people.


As politicians...they both fudged and mislead voters on those benchmark statements.

 

[No1]

I don't disagree that it was poor wording or a poor example on Ryan's part...but the argument that he "just lied" is simply false.

I'll compare it to the "you didn't build that line"....also poor wording...everything he said surrounding that phrase was correct but unecessary--at the pace that he was going he should have just given credit to the big bang and the orbital shifts. lol.

The problem is that he minimilzes individual effort, talent and risk taking by pointing the finger at entrepreneurs and saying "you didn't build that...somebody else made that happen." It's all just bad commentary and a poor choice of words.


As politicians...they both fudged and mislead voters on those benchmark statements.

Obama's statement is nowhere near Ryan's. Obama's words were taken out of context. Ryan deliberately said something misleading. It may not be entirely groundless (may not), but it is certainly irresponsible and embarrassing. I don't even like the guy, and I think he's better than that shyt.

 

[StatUS]

I don't disagree that it was poor wording or a poor example on Ryan's part...but the argument that he "just lied" is simply false.

I'll compare it to the "you didn't build that line"....also poor wording...everything he said surrounding that phrase was correct but unecessary--at the pace that he was going he should have just given credit to the big bang and the orbital shifts. lol.

The problem is that he minimilzes individual effort, talent and risk taking by pointing the finger at entrepreneurs and saying "you didn't build that...somebody else made that happen." It's all just bad commentary and a poor choice of words. Soemthing to the effect of "everyone gets help" would have been more appropriate and a better choice of words that would have resonated better with people.


As politicians...they both fudged and mislead voters on those benchmark statements.

Obama's was a bad case of sentence structure. Ryan's was baseless and cheap.

Now Obama claiming Romney would shut down all bills on abortion was a lie and made Obama look dumb. Or his take on Mitt's stance on Arizona's immigration law have been proven false just like Ryan's statement.

 

[filial_piety]

Obama's statement is nowhere near Ryan's. Obama's words were taken out of context. Ryan deliberately said something misleading. It may not be entirely groundless (may not), but it is certainly irresponsible and embarrassing. I don't even like the guy, and I think he's better than that shyt.

His words were not "taken out of context"...the man said "you didn't build that...someone else made that possible"...If I built a business then I built a business...I'm not going to give credit to the road that I drove on with my car everyday. Obama should have chosen a more truthful and accurate phrase. As a result it comes off as embarassing and insulting to some extent. It's even a common theme of a joke now...

 

[The War Report]

Obama's was a bad case of sentence structure. Ryan's was baseless and cheap.

Now Obama claiming Romney would shut down all bills on abortion was a lie and made Obama look dumb. Or his take on Mitt's stance on Arizona's immigration law have been proven false just like Ryan's statement.

Obama was talking about infrastructure when he referenced to "you didn't built that." They took something that was meant to be taken literally and flipped it into some metaphorical political mantra of the right in this election.

 

[filial_piety]

Obama's was a bad case of sentence structure. Ryan's was baseless and cheap.

Now Obama claiming Romney would shut down all bills on abortion was a lie and made Obama look dumb. Or his take on Mitt's stance on Arizona's immigration law have been proven false just like Ryan's statement.

His statement was not "baseless" because the article and speech clearly show that what Ryan stated was stated earlier by Obama in his speech on 2/13/2008. "Baseless" would suggest that it had absolutely no foundation. And that's not true even a little bit. Cheap? Yes, he's a politician--no surprise there.

And we don't have to use hypotehticals to know that Obama took a "cheap" shot himself. When he said "you didnt build that business...somebody else built that"...that's a cheap shot at business owners. It's untrue and communal in speech. It certainly doesn't tone down theaccusations that he's a "socialist" when he makes statements like that.

 

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[Slystallion]

Video: Republican Women Dancing To Khia's "My Neck, My Back"!

Man i thought it would have been real...I laughed for 2 seconds then it got old

You know I've always wante to see guys like Bush and Cheney dancing to hardcore rap because the comedic effect is Gold

It's like when Vince McMahon does a hip hop dance