Marcia clark also tired the case of Robert John Bardo,who stalked and murderd actress Rebecca Schaeffer from the show My Sister Sam.
The People Vs. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story
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it is different with the way it was presented only using news footage
She's holding the mug like that to hide her ass which she is ashamed of
There was a little more news footage than others but I don't care for that
Alfred0Santana
I used to drop Lewinsky off at the White House.
Damn man......losing two close family members back to back the last two years from cancer I can feel how tough it had to be for his wife and kids to see him break down like that. It happens so fast man.
Reggie austin he was in agent Carter
No, not him...someone posted the pic earlier in this thread...he's played a dad on some sitcom..looked just like OJ.
CHRIS DARDEN 
= HULK HOE-GAN
MARCIA CLARK = BRUTUS THE BARBER BEEFCAKE
DREAM TEAM = THE FOUR HORSEMEN
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
= HULK HOE-GAN MARCIA CLARK = BRUTUS THE BARBER BEEFCAKE
DREAM TEAM = THE FOUR HORSEMEN
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Poetical Poltergeist
Precise and cold hearted
Dope episode
Canada Goose
Pooping on your head :umad:
You mean the dad from "That's so Raven"?
Formerly known as...
Collector
OJ must have had help if Goldman apparently fought for his life! Either that or it wasn't OJ but OJ turned up at the scene at some point during it all, hence why the son theory could work. His son ran away, OJ drove off in a panic, people spotted OJ nobody spotted the son.
threattonature
Veteran
Hold up. Why has no one ever talked about this Thomas Lang witness from that F. Lee Bailey report.
http://baileyandelliott.com/Anecdotes (PDFs)/The Simpson Verdict, Part Three.pdf
VI. THE DEFENSE SMART BOMB: Perhaps the most important witness in the Simpson case - who may well have seen the killers or their confederates - was Thomas Lang, who lived about two blocks south of Nicole's condo at 875 S. Bundy Drive in Brentwood. It was a great irony that he shared his name (with a minor spelling variation) with Tom Lange, the Senior Detective in the case. Tom Lang the witness could have trashed the efforts of Tom Lange the detective with a few minutes of testimony, which would have been all but unassailable on cross-examination. Indeed, so critical did I think that the testimony of Tom Lang would be that I had my one and only disagreement with Johnnie Cochran about whether or not we should call a witness. Johnnie was the chief, and he eventually decided that Lang would not be used. Because of the result in the case, his decision cannot be faulted, based as it was on the probability that if we called Lang, the prosecution would stretch the trial out ad nauseam, and thus get the mistrial - through jury attrition - they so badly wanted.
If given the decision to make, I would have called Lang. He was, I thought, worth whatever risk was involved. People asked me then, and have continued to ask for eleven years, " ... well, if Simpson didn't do it, who did?'" Tom Lang could have come closer to answering that question that any other person involved in the case. He could not have identified the killers later in a lineup, as he admitted from the outset. He could have said decisively that neither of them was O. J. Simpson.
On the night of June 12th, 1994, Tom Lang and his wife had returned to their home at 975 South Bundy Drive from a trip they had taken together. Tom decided to take his dog for a walk. His wife, who was trying to decide whether to unpack her things or leave the chore 'til morning, noted the time as ten o'clock.
As Tom left his house, he turned left (northwest) on South Bundy drive and walked toward the intersection of Dorothy Street, about six hundred feet away. His dog, a large Rhodesian Ridgeback, was not on a leash. Almost immediately, Lang heard loud voices, as if some people were either partying or arguing. As he drew closer he saw the front of a white Ford truck parked on the west side of South Bundy on the north side of the Dorothy intersection. He had owned no less than eleven Ford trucks himself, and thought this one to be a model F-350.
There was a female on the sidewalk with long, blonde hair, wearing black clothing, talking with a male person standing in the street beside the truck, partially obscured by the open truck door and by a palm tree growing in the space between the sidewalk and the street/ She had an angry look about her. Northwest of her, on the sidewalk near ,the entrance to Nicole Simpson's property at 875 South Bundy, was a male person. He was standing in a somewhat crouched position, facing toward the blonde woman, in what Lang thought to be a "menacing" posture.
Lang was concerned that his dog might frighten some of those he was viewing, and for that reason turned left on Dorothy Street, thus avoiding any encounters. He heard no more loud voices, and continued on his way, then returned to his home. He left for work the following day, unaware that anything calamitous had occurred in his neighborhood the previous night. When he learned what had happened via media broadcasts, he realized that he had probably seen Nicole Brown Simpson talking to someone shortly before she died. On the next morning - June 14t \ 1994 at 10:00 a.m., he sat down and wrote out in his own hand a detailed account of what he had seen and heard. He included a sketch which retraced his steps as he had walked past the blonde woman and the two males, and sent a copy to the police. This memo was the establishing point of his account of the events we witnessed.
Lang's employer - the owner of the *** hotel in Santa Monica, was also a lawyer; when Tom told him what had seen, the lawyer suggested that he describe his recollection for a tape recorder while they were still fresh in his mind. This recording was made on Friday, June 1i\in the lawyer's office, thus creating a second establishing point. I have both the handwritten statement and a transcript of the recorded statement.
Officer David Payne of the Robbery-Homicide division of the LAPD interviewed Lang on June 20th, 1994, at 8:30 p.m. Lang offered to retrace his steps of the night of June 12th for officer Payne, who declined the invitation. Payne then filed a one-page written statement allegedly summarizing his interview with Lang (which report I have, with Payne's signature). Some parts of Payne's report were accurate, and other parts were quite inaccurate. These discrepancies may have been just sloppy police work, or they may have been deliberate, On the day of Payne's interview of Lang, his superiors had already arrested Simpson and charged him with murdering Nicole. Lang's evidence, if found to be credible, badly undermined the prosecution's case. In my view, and that of my investigators, there was no more credible evidence in the entire case than the account given by Tom Lang ..
Johnnie did not let Lang's testimony go by the wayside easily, not by any means. The final decision was a cliff-hanger of the most classic kind. It occurred at the ** hotel in Santa Monica at a Sunday morning brunch on **. Johnny was present with **, Tom Lang's employer-lawyer, myself, Carl Douglas (the case manager from Cochran's firm) and Pat McKenna, who had interviewed Lang on three separate occasions. We reviewed everything that Lang had said, and compared it with all the other testimony relating to the night of the murders. It was, in essence, flawless. McKenna and I argued long and strenuously that Tom Lang should tell the jury and the world what he had viewed and heard. But Johnnie was concerned about the "white truck", despite the fact that Lang was quite sure that it was a Ford F-350, which does not look much like - head-on or otherwise - a Ford Bronco. He had visions of Marcia Clark or Chris Darden bellowing in cross-examination that Lang had in fact seen O.J.'s Bronco, and that O. J. was the man behind the passenger door. He also could see Officer Payne on the witness stand, swearing before God and everyone that Lang had told him on June 20th that the Ford could have been a passenger vehicle. Johnnie's nightmare was that while all of this melee was in progress we would lose three more jurors, or that we would lose them thereafter, and before the case was over, thereby giving the prosecution the mistrial it so badly wanted.
To my knowledge this is the first time that ninety-nine percent of the world has ever heard of Tom Lang, the witness, and what he knew about the murders of Nicole Simpson and Ronald Goldman
http://baileyandelliott.com/Anecdotes (PDFs)/The Simpson Verdict, Part Three.pdf
VI. THE DEFENSE SMART BOMB: Perhaps the most important witness in the Simpson case - who may well have seen the killers or their confederates - was Thomas Lang, who lived about two blocks south of Nicole's condo at 875 S. Bundy Drive in Brentwood. It was a great irony that he shared his name (with a minor spelling variation) with Tom Lange, the Senior Detective in the case. Tom Lang the witness could have trashed the efforts of Tom Lange the detective with a few minutes of testimony, which would have been all but unassailable on cross-examination. Indeed, so critical did I think that the testimony of Tom Lang would be that I had my one and only disagreement with Johnnie Cochran about whether or not we should call a witness. Johnnie was the chief, and he eventually decided that Lang would not be used. Because of the result in the case, his decision cannot be faulted, based as it was on the probability that if we called Lang, the prosecution would stretch the trial out ad nauseam, and thus get the mistrial - through jury attrition - they so badly wanted.
If given the decision to make, I would have called Lang. He was, I thought, worth whatever risk was involved. People asked me then, and have continued to ask for eleven years, " ... well, if Simpson didn't do it, who did?'" Tom Lang could have come closer to answering that question that any other person involved in the case. He could not have identified the killers later in a lineup, as he admitted from the outset. He could have said decisively that neither of them was O. J. Simpson.
On the night of June 12th, 1994, Tom Lang and his wife had returned to their home at 975 South Bundy Drive from a trip they had taken together. Tom decided to take his dog for a walk. His wife, who was trying to decide whether to unpack her things or leave the chore 'til morning, noted the time as ten o'clock.
As Tom left his house, he turned left (northwest) on South Bundy drive and walked toward the intersection of Dorothy Street, about six hundred feet away. His dog, a large Rhodesian Ridgeback, was not on a leash. Almost immediately, Lang heard loud voices, as if some people were either partying or arguing. As he drew closer he saw the front of a white Ford truck parked on the west side of South Bundy on the north side of the Dorothy intersection. He had owned no less than eleven Ford trucks himself, and thought this one to be a model F-350.
There was a female on the sidewalk with long, blonde hair, wearing black clothing, talking with a male person standing in the street beside the truck, partially obscured by the open truck door and by a palm tree growing in the space between the sidewalk and the street/ She had an angry look about her. Northwest of her, on the sidewalk near ,the entrance to Nicole Simpson's property at 875 South Bundy, was a male person. He was standing in a somewhat crouched position, facing toward the blonde woman, in what Lang thought to be a "menacing" posture.
Lang was concerned that his dog might frighten some of those he was viewing, and for that reason turned left on Dorothy Street, thus avoiding any encounters. He heard no more loud voices, and continued on his way, then returned to his home. He left for work the following day, unaware that anything calamitous had occurred in his neighborhood the previous night. When he learned what had happened via media broadcasts, he realized that he had probably seen Nicole Brown Simpson talking to someone shortly before she died. On the next morning - June 14t \ 1994 at 10:00 a.m., he sat down and wrote out in his own hand a detailed account of what he had seen and heard. He included a sketch which retraced his steps as he had walked past the blonde woman and the two males, and sent a copy to the police. This memo was the establishing point of his account of the events we witnessed.
Lang's employer - the owner of the *** hotel in Santa Monica, was also a lawyer; when Tom told him what had seen, the lawyer suggested that he describe his recollection for a tape recorder while they were still fresh in his mind. This recording was made on Friday, June 1i\in the lawyer's office, thus creating a second establishing point. I have both the handwritten statement and a transcript of the recorded statement.
Officer David Payne of the Robbery-Homicide division of the LAPD interviewed Lang on June 20th, 1994, at 8:30 p.m. Lang offered to retrace his steps of the night of June 12th for officer Payne, who declined the invitation. Payne then filed a one-page written statement allegedly summarizing his interview with Lang (which report I have, with Payne's signature). Some parts of Payne's report were accurate, and other parts were quite inaccurate. These discrepancies may have been just sloppy police work, or they may have been deliberate, On the day of Payne's interview of Lang, his superiors had already arrested Simpson and charged him with murdering Nicole. Lang's evidence, if found to be credible, badly undermined the prosecution's case. In my view, and that of my investigators, there was no more credible evidence in the entire case than the account given by Tom Lang ..
Johnnie did not let Lang's testimony go by the wayside easily, not by any means. The final decision was a cliff-hanger of the most classic kind. It occurred at the ** hotel in Santa Monica at a Sunday morning brunch on **. Johnny was present with **, Tom Lang's employer-lawyer, myself, Carl Douglas (the case manager from Cochran's firm) and Pat McKenna, who had interviewed Lang on three separate occasions. We reviewed everything that Lang had said, and compared it with all the other testimony relating to the night of the murders. It was, in essence, flawless. McKenna and I argued long and strenuously that Tom Lang should tell the jury and the world what he had viewed and heard. But Johnnie was concerned about the "white truck", despite the fact that Lang was quite sure that it was a Ford F-350, which does not look much like - head-on or otherwise - a Ford Bronco. He had visions of Marcia Clark or Chris Darden bellowing in cross-examination that Lang had in fact seen O.J.'s Bronco, and that O. J. was the man behind the passenger door. He also could see Officer Payne on the witness stand, swearing before God and everyone that Lang had told him on June 20th that the Ford could have been a passenger vehicle. Johnnie's nightmare was that while all of this melee was in progress we would lose three more jurors, or that we would lose them thereafter, and before the case was over, thereby giving the prosecution the mistrial it so badly wanted.
To my knowledge this is the first time that ninety-nine percent of the world has ever heard of Tom Lang, the witness, and what he knew about the murders of Nicole Simpson and Ronald Goldman
Why do people keep saying Ron Goldman could have taken on OJ? :jagsfan:
OJ is 212 pounds 6' 1"
Ron Goldman was 5 9" 171 pounds
Ronald Goldman Autopsy Report
Just because ol'boy knew karate (
) don't mean shyt.
A 200 pound guy with a knife will still cut your throat.
Besides OJ got that surprise factor going for him.
OJ killed ol'girl first, and ol'boy was there at the wrong time.
OJ is 212 pounds 6' 1"
Ron Goldman was 5 9" 171 pounds
Ronald Goldman Autopsy Report
Just because ol'boy knew karate (
) don't mean shyt.A 200 pound guy with a knife will still cut your throat.
Besides OJ got that surprise factor going for him.
OJ killed ol'girl first, and ol'boy was there at the wrong time.
threattonature
Veteran
The other interesting things I took from what Bailey wrote.
- He says that the sock was found with blood spots in the exact same size and location on both sides of the sock which lends itself to the belief that blood was planted on the sock
- He says that the glove found on OJ's property was still wet when they found it. He ran his own tests with one glove in a police baggy and another glove left out in the open for the amount of time between the time the murders occurred and the time that the police found it. The tests showed that the one left out in the open was completely dry while the one preserved in the baggy remained wet which likely means the glove was planted.
- The witnesses that testified that during the flight to Chicago OJ was completely carefree and relaxed and they had multiple psychiatrists that say for a first time murderer none would act that way as well as an expert on battered women that had been murdered that say OJ showed none of the characteristics of any of them. And how on the flight home the guy sitting next to him testified about Simpson calling around crazed trying to figure out what happened and how they were killed.
- Brings up Marcus Allen and Keith Zlomsowitch (the guy Nicole sucked off in the living room) that both testified that OJ talked to them both immediately after and showed no signs of being filled with raging jealousy as he had been painted.
- Of course Fuhrman. He mentioned Fuhrman's police history having been shown as chasing the big cases. And how shortly after being told they were sending more senior detectives to take over lead on the case is when Fuhrman asked to make the drive to OJ's house and how he disappeared for 15 minutes while at OJ's house and then suddenly discovered the glove.
- How there's video of them filming OJ's room immediately upon entry and how in the video where the bloody sock was found there was nothing there at the time of filming the video. So how did the sock mysteriously appear later on there?
- Multiple witnesses including one that had walked right by Nichole's properly around 10:30 PM and saw no blood on the sidewalk or heard any commotion.
- Robert Heidstra who was walking his dog and heard yelling in Nicole's yard at 10:40 PM, loud barking, and a commotion. He also uses the fact that he heard the voice yelling HEY HEY instead of using OJ's name (who Ron Goldman knew of) that it would point to the fact that it wasn't OJ being yelled at. Also that timeline would rule OJ out as he had been home at that point about to leave.
- He says that the sock was found with blood spots in the exact same size and location on both sides of the sock which lends itself to the belief that blood was planted on the sock
- He says that the glove found on OJ's property was still wet when they found it. He ran his own tests with one glove in a police baggy and another glove left out in the open for the amount of time between the time the murders occurred and the time that the police found it. The tests showed that the one left out in the open was completely dry while the one preserved in the baggy remained wet which likely means the glove was planted.
- The witnesses that testified that during the flight to Chicago OJ was completely carefree and relaxed and they had multiple psychiatrists that say for a first time murderer none would act that way as well as an expert on battered women that had been murdered that say OJ showed none of the characteristics of any of them. And how on the flight home the guy sitting next to him testified about Simpson calling around crazed trying to figure out what happened and how they were killed.
- Brings up Marcus Allen and Keith Zlomsowitch (the guy Nicole sucked off in the living room) that both testified that OJ talked to them both immediately after and showed no signs of being filled with raging jealousy as he had been painted.
- Of course Fuhrman. He mentioned Fuhrman's police history having been shown as chasing the big cases. And how shortly after being told they were sending more senior detectives to take over lead on the case is when Fuhrman asked to make the drive to OJ's house and how he disappeared for 15 minutes while at OJ's house and then suddenly discovered the glove.
- How there's video of them filming OJ's room immediately upon entry and how in the video where the bloody sock was found there was nothing there at the time of filming the video. So how did the sock mysteriously appear later on there?
- Multiple witnesses including one that had walked right by Nichole's properly around 10:30 PM and saw no blood on the sidewalk or heard any commotion.
- Robert Heidstra who was walking his dog and heard yelling in Nicole's yard at 10:40 PM, loud barking, and a commotion. He also uses the fact that he heard the voice yelling HEY HEY instead of using OJ's name (who Ron Goldman knew of) that it would point to the fact that it wasn't OJ being yelled at. Also that timeline would rule OJ out as he had been home at that point about to leave.
Mr Hate Coffee
Veteran
OJ aint do it brehs.
Gon' head and put this mystery up there with the JFK assassination.
At least we found out who killed Pac and Biggie this year.
Yup
I'm pretty sure oj came on the murder scene though
Oj had no marks or scratches, Goldman put up a fighyWhy do people keep saying Ron Goldman could have taken on OJ? :jagsfan:
OJ is 212 pounds 6' 1"
Ron Goldman was 5 9" 171 pounds
Ronald Goldman Autopsy Report
Just because ol'boy knew karate (
A 200 pound guy with a knife will still cut your throat.
Besides OJ got that surprise factor going for him.
OJ killed ol'girl first, and ol'boy was there at the wrong time.