THE OFFICIAL THE KNICK SEASON 2 THREAD - COCAINE THACK IS BACK MY KNICKAS

[OnFleekTing]

Gallinger is just gonna pocket and pull the switcheroo in front of the entire stage and no one catches on.
I guess I can buy it
Season is interesting I wonder how it will end no one seems to be heading for an obvious fall like thack in season 1

 

[TheGodling]

The minstrel show scene was indeed very interesting. Somewhere it kinda makes sense because the racial struggles in that era are so much bigger than "a playful stereotype comedy routine" that such a thing probably does seem trivial to them. They aren't allowed to vote, there's almost nigh total segregation at any institution, as evidenced by the following scene where Opal presses for Algernon's position at the new Knick and it becomes clear that the other board members don't want a negro doctor. They are facing a far greater struggle than 'oh, white people put on some make-up and mock our accent'.

Seems like Soderbergh took a day off when they shot that scene of Barrow and the bloke beating down the real estate guy because those punches had some shades of that missed punch Sonny threw at Carlo in The Godfather.

Cleary and Harriet about to come for the crown of Team fukkery. Thack and Algie better watch out.

Yeah, Gallinger went from "saving the day" with Thack in the beginning of this season back to the "villain" real fast. I'm glad they're keeping some continuity in Thack's gratefulness for Gallinger saving him from the institute, even though Gallinger deserves all the hate now.

Did they record the hernia surgery like they did conjoined twins surgery btw? I don't think so but I thought afterwards maybe that's how they're (eventually) going to find out about Gallinger messing with the surgery (or upcoming surgeries).

Whoever called the white girl fukking up her father's business investigating that plague cover up on the ships was spot on. Her creepy father in law still in the cut just straight.

Yes, I was.

It's really a testament to the strong writing of this show though, they set up that connection episodes in advance in a scene unrelated to Cornelia's investigation, which shows these writers are definitely plotting long-term ahead.

Speaking of the great writing, there was another incredibly subtle contrast shown this episode with the opening sex scene with Bertie and his reporter girlfriend and the one towards the end with Henry and Lucy. The first one was all lovey dovey romance, two innocent young people in love, the latter a straight forward fukk between a person driven by lust and another by desire to control and manipulate. There's no greater sex scene in tv or movies than one that tells us everything about the characters, and they did it two times here to perfection.

 

[notPsychosiz]

Did you not hear them say they've already seen [and enjoyed] Williams and Walker perform prior, and that they'd bought tickets to see them again?

I heard them say that but did not equate the two. I think I was eating dinner not paying close enough attention because when she said that I assumed she was talking about one of the acts at that circus Birdie & the reporter go to (where Thac met the siamese twins).

Thanks. I'll take another look.

 

[g-ice]

Great episode

That Minstrel Show and Gallenger's bytch ass :meanmark: :bookercmon:

The karma that is gonna reign on that motherfukker.

 

[jay211]

Cleary and Harriet might be the best duo on TV. Cleary is a ride or die goon.

 

[FlyRy]

Nurse elkins a freak though.

Gallinger is a prick

Real c00ns

 

[KalKal]

shyt had me mad confused..Algernon looked like he cracked a smile too
was it common for black ppl to shrug off and laugh @ blackface type shyt back then? or were those two on their and trying to assimilate..?

But, did you notice that in the scene with the minstrel show they do a wide shot of the room and Algenon and Opal are smiling and enjoying it.
I thought that was very interesting as a reflection of the times.

Even when the party was over and they were standing on the steps Opal (who is usually very abrassive about stuff she doesn't like) had nothing whatsoever to say about the minstrel show, and again later when they are in the privacy of Algenon's home and no cacs are around they did not discuss it.

So I think the black characters at the time don't see it the same.

Thats profoundly intersting to me. I wonder if thats an accurate representation of the time or if this is the writers simply taking liberties.
Either way that was strange to see.

I thought Algenon, but especially Opal, was about to flip out when the c00ns came down the stairs.

The minstrel show scene was indeed very interesting. Somewhere it kinda makes sense because the racial struggles in that era are so much bigger than "a playful stereotype comedy routine" that such a thing probably does seem trivial to them. They aren't allowed to vote, there's almost nigh total segregation at any institution, as evidenced by the following scene where Opal presses for Algernon's position at the new Knick and it becomes clear that the other board members don't want a negro doctor. They are facing a far greater struggle than 'oh, white people put on some make-up and mock our accent'.

I think there's another side to it. As militant as Opel seems, she's thinking "I'm a British West Indian. They're not making fun of me, they're making fun of low-class black Americans that I already feel superior to." In the scene before this someone says to her "You look like you were born to wear that dress" and she replies "I was." She can't identify with the stereotype, they're other people to her.

Algernon should be offended, but he's grow up around it so he's used to it and laughs along.

They way cut back and forth from Algernon and Opel laughing at the "Two Real c00ns" show to Gallinger standing over the black patient and tainting the medicine bottles is just amazing.

 

[notPsychosiz]

I think there's another side to it. As militant as Opel seems, she's thinking "I'm a British West Indian. They're not making fun of me, they're making fun of low-class black Americans that I already feel superior to." In the scene before this someone says to her "You look like you were born to wear that dress" and she replies "I was." She can't identify with the stereotype, they're other people to her.

Algernon should be offended, but he's grow up around it so he's used to it and laughs along.

They way cut back and forth from Algernon and Opel laughing at the "Two Real c00ns" show to Gallinger standing over the black patient and tainting the medicine bottles is just amazing.

That is a strong observation.

She may indeed have a disassociative look at the matter, but consider the following...
Do you think they consider the minstrel pair successful? Because stage performance is looked upon as noteworthy and intriquing even now, but back then when almost no one had a television the stage was king. You notice that the minstrels pride themselves on having the role, remarking that most minstrel shows are performed by cacs in blackface, but they are actually black. So I am wondering if Algenon, Opal and the crowd see them almost as movie stars of the time. They are doing theatre shows and selling tickets, so while we equate it to a clown or jester, at the time they might have looked at it like Laurel/Hardy or Chaplin or any other comedy stage show.

I need to rewatch it I think...

 

[Majestyx]

gallager needs to get bodied

rich mufukkas simping hoes with stds and poor hoes.... something never change

 

[KalKal]

That is a strong observation.

She may indeed have a disassociative look at the matter, but consider the following...
Do you think they consider the minstrel pair successful? Because stage performance is looked upon as noteworthy and intriquing even now, but back then when almost no one had a television the stage was king. You notice that the minstrels pride themselves on having the role, remarking that most minstrel shows are performed by cacs in blackface, but they are actually black. So I am wondering if Algenon, Opal and the crowd see them almost as movie stars of the time. They are doing theatre shows and selling tickets, so while we equate it to a clown or jester, at the time they might have looked at it like Laurel/Hardy or Chaplin or any other comedy stage show.

I need to rewatch it I think...

WOW, I didn't realize that they were actually black, and that “Williams and Walker” really existed

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That totally changes my view Algernon's reaction. I thought they were in blackface, but now that I see that they were really black I think you're absolutely right. Algernon SHOULD be proud of them, in their field they're just about as successful as he is.

 

[Hades]

This show is raw. It is a very immersive viewing every time that I watch.

 

[jwinfield]

i didnt think Lucy was gonna give up the yams that this early/easily

I think Cornelia unintentionally talked her into it.

Cornelia was letting her know that Henry wines and dines these nurses, fukks them, moves on to the next one and at some point is gonna marry some chick from a rich family, not to get too attached.

Lucy was planning on leading dude on to get what she wanted, the talk from Cornelia kinda put her into a panic and she gave it up. She's banking on the sex to keep him when before the plan was to get him to do whatever so he could fukk.

I feel like they were setting up a bunch of things that they let unravel with no pay-off whatsoever.
I expected the research on adrenilene to lead to the Big ambulancee driver dude getting his hands on some and injecting his underground wrestler... that seemed like the most logical tie-in for why they were showing both storylines... but now with the simp doc gone from the jew hospital and the nun off trial the entire adrenilene and wrestling stories seem to have been filler (except to show how strict the jew hospital was).

Eh, the adrenaline thing seemed to just show the difference between Zinberg's hospital and the Knick.

Zinberg will take someone else's discovery and do research on it while Thack and Algie are trying to discover shyt on their own.

Zinberg wants 2+ years of meticulous research and trials while the Knick they're trying to experiment on someone within a couple weeks.

 

[kingdarius]

not gonna post a big review like i usually do but i'll post a cliff notes version:

Lucy's story and her non nudity clause contract

The Cleary and Harry duo

Thack and the turpentine fukkery

Dem c00ns

Gallinger :boloufdup:

and the fact that my nicca algernon might not get a job at the new hospital even tho he's CLEARLY head and shoulders above anyone not named thack at the knick

 

[Un-AmericanDreamer]

Gallinger is reaching Joffrey-level hate from me.

Man, I love this show and it's probably gonna get canceled...


Yeah, I was really interested in that too.

Sometimes people are too deep in it to be self-aware. You can see it today on this very board: Some of the people screaming "cac!" and "c00n!" the loudest are the same people preoccupied with talking about "White girls love me" and "Blacks are naturally gifted athletes".

Can't forget the stanning for modern day minstrel rappers ."Future this" "Young Thug that"

 

[Danie84]

Our intelligence is the biggest threat to CaCsucKKKas That's why they sabotaged US then take credit for OUR EXCELLENCEIt's their rotten Genealogy

...lowkey, Cocaine Thack still singing that c00n Song after the Ball, tho

Is our affable Doc just a Functional Bigot, afterall