Monfils been looking shaky all tournament though
or does he have Federer's number on clay?
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or does he have Federer's number on clay?
Federer putting in work like i thought he would 
Game started before i could even confirm my bet
Game started before i could even confirm my bet
Federer putting in work like i thought he would
Game started before i could even confirm my bet
theyre about to splitWill you have a portion of her career earnings if she makes it ?
Youd be surprised how many people have asked me that..jumping the shark heavy
Shes already 5'5 or so at 12 so if she keeps growing a bit she could be a real problem..just won her semi's 6-0 6-0 and finals 7-5 6-1 to win the tournament. Beat the 1 and 2 seed (ranked top 20, she was at 24)..
I just dont know if im moving or not. If I peace to a different state or europe then
Gael da Gawd 
Big big point at the 15 sec mark..
It Was called out by the linesman so serena kinda gave up on it and hit it out of bounds
But Victorias shot was clearly INBOUNDS ... so the judge made them replay it..
Victoria started arguing with the judge that it should be her point, and when he was like no, just replay it
She then started to ask Serena to be fair and give her the point
Serena kinda gave her the.So they continued play and Serena ended up winning the set...
No excuses in tennis... very rarely does a match hinge on 1 point or 1 bad call.. Serena clearly won the match even after going down 2 games to 0 starting the 3rd set..
Victoria eas just desperate and making excuses..how you going to ask you opponent to give you points when they dont have toand they playing for prize money too
Vika is such a cow. After what she did to Sloane in the '13 AO SFs she has no room to talk about fairness.
Federer putting in work like i thought he would
Game started before i could even confirm my bet
it didnt go through
Yapdatfool
Superstar
We'll see if this ends differently or the same as the USO '14 did.
How do US rankings work ? At what point are people able to go the Futures/Challengers route (or the equivalent to women lol) ?Youd be surprised how many people have asked me that..jumping the shark heavy
Shes already 5'5 or so at 12 so if she keeps growing a bit she could be a real problem..just won her semi's 6-0 6-0 and finals 7-5 6-1 to win the tournament. Beat the 1 and 2 seed (ranked top 20, she was at 24)..
I just dont know if im moving or not. If I peace to a different state or europe then
There are levels of tournaments. 7 being the lowest 1 being the highest. more points for high level tournaments..L7 are generally 1 set round robin tournaments. L6 are two out of three sets with third set being 10 pt tiebreak (at least at 12/14s unsure of 16s)...L5 are two out of three full sets and I think reward points for any win, even if its just consolation back draw win. You have to be a certain rank (maybe top 30) to qualify for L5s and above..I think L4s are considered national level tournaments (or sectional)..L3s and above are DEF national level. There are also official selection list tournaments where top 2 or 5 from each US region are eligible to play then everyone else is on a waiting list if they want to play and the top 2/5 dont want to play. I have also recently seen some L4 or L5 tourneys sponsored by Bolletieri that could grant auto admission to his camp.
The ranking system is flawed in itself though. Its singles points plus 25% of doubles points. Points accumulated in an older age bracket count towards younger age bracket. Thing is this...I think the highest of the 8 previous point totals from a tournament count towards your ranking..Let me give you an example.
Player A wins 8 L6 tournaments at 12 years old. Gets 300 points for each tourney win. Unless they play a higher level tourney their point total is capped..even if they win 5 more L6 tournaments in a row. It may be the last 8 point total results in general but I think my previous statement was right. My player won a 14s L7 round robin at 11 years old but only received 135 points for it so it didnt count for anything (even though there were quality opponents).
Player B wins 5 L6 tournaments at 12 years old. 300 points for each win. Loses first round each other singles tourney (maybe played weak opps in wins and lost to stronger players). However, those points got his/her total high enough to qualify for upper level tourneys (5,4,3 etc). Player B plays 5 upper level tournaments...could win only one match in each and earn more than 300..and if its a L4 or L3 doubles tournament..could get up to like 1000+ points without winning it all..same points apply for doubles..so that player could get like 400/500 points by winning one or two doubles matches (still with a losing record) because 25% of doubles total counts to singles and can thus be ranked higher than Player A.
Bright side is that any legitimate recruiting site or camp or possible endorser also looks at win-loss...but it generally can fukk up seeding. My player wasnt seeded..the #1 seed was a girl she was 3-0 against and has a terrible W-L but plays a ton of doubles. Hence, my player had to beat the 1 and 2 to win while the 1 coasted. Furthermore, TDM (tournament data manager program used by tourney directors) only seeds a certain amount of players depending on draw and if you are not seeded then its completely random. So, hypothetically, a girl who is terrible and is playing their first tourney could have an easier draw than a top 20 player if the overall draw is small enough and there are 2 or 3 top 20 players.
One girl is ranked 12th. Her record is 54-46. She played one L3 doubles tournament, lost second round and won consolation via withdrawal. She got 750 points to her ranking for that.
My player is 2-0 against that girl. Shes 32-11 since Ive been coaching her in singles, 0-3 in doubles and 33-16 overall. Shes ranked 24th.
When I was a junior it was basically just challenger/champion level tourneys. Now its so fukkin convoluted and ridiculous that its backwards..no sliding scale for strength of schedule either.
I think that covers it.
http://tennislink.usta.com/Tournaments/Rankings/RankingHome.aspx you can check all the different lists and bullshyt here
of course..my junior rankings from when i was #1 in the region and was being offered credit cards by bolletieri is no longer in the archives
Aight, I switched off the Sharap match, can't bear her screaming. And now that Lucie won the first, she even grunt louder in the beginning of the second 
Well the logic of the rankings is the same over here except it's about who you beat and not the tourney you participate in which is fairer than in the US from what you say. Our rankings are organized in series which are sort of brackets (and we have then two rankings, a simples and a doubles one) :There are levels of tournaments. 7 being the lowest 1 being the highest. more points for high level tournaments..L7 are generally 1 set round robin tournaments. L6 are two out of three sets with third set being 10 pt tiebreak (at least at 12/14s unsure of 16s)...L5 are two out of three full sets and I think reward points for any win, even if its just consolation back draw win. You have to be a certain rank (maybe top 30) to qualify for L5s and above..I think L4s are considered national level tournaments (or sectional)..L3s and above are DEF national level. There are also official selection list tournaments where top 2 or 5 from each US region are eligible to play then everyone else is on a waiting list if they want to play and the top 2/5 dont want to play. I have also recently seen some L4 or L5 tourneys sponsored by Bolletieri that could grant auto admission to his camp.
The ranking system is flawed in itself though. Its singles points plus 25% of doubles points. Points accumulated in an older age bracket count towards younger age bracket. Thing is this...I think the highest of the 8 previous point totals from a tournament count towards your ranking..Let me give you an example.
Player A wins 8 L6 tournaments at 12 years old. Gets 300 points for each tourney win. Unless they play a higher level tourney their point total is capped..even if they win 5 more L6 tournaments in a row. It may be the last 8 point total results in general but I think my previous statement was right. My player won a 14s L7 round robin at 11 years old but only received 135 points for it so it didnt count for anything (even though there were quality opponents).
Player B wins 5 L6 tournaments at 12 years old. 300 points for each win. Loses first round each other singles tourney (maybe played weak opps in wins and lost to stronger players). However, those points got his/her total high enough to qualify for upper level tourneys (5,4,3 etc). Player B plays 5 upper level tournaments...could win only one match in each and earn more than 300..and if its a L4 or L3 doubles tournament..could get up to like 1000+ points without winning it all..same points apply for doubles..so that player could get like 400/500 points by winning one or two doubles matches (still with a losing record) because 25% of doubles total counts to singles and can thus be ranked higher than Player A.
Bright side is that any legitimate recruiting site or camp or possible endorser also looks at win-loss...but it generally can fukk up seeding. My player wasnt seeded..the #1 seed was a girl she was 3-0 against and has a terrible W-L but plays a ton of doubles. Hence, my player had to beat the 1 and 2 to win while the 1 coasted. Furthermore, TDM (tournament data manager program used by tourney directors) only seeds a certain amount of players depending on draw and if you are not seeded then its completely random. So, hypothetically, a girl who is terrible and is playing their first tourney could have an easier draw than a top 20 player if the overall draw is small enough and there are 2 or 3 top 20 players.
One girl is ranked 12th. Her record is 54-46. She played one L3 doubles tournament, lost second round and won consolation via withdrawal. She got 750 points to her ranking for that.
My player is 2-0 against that girl. Shes 32-11 since Ive been coaching her in singles, 0-3 in doubles and 33-16 overall. Shes ranked 24th.
When I was a junior it was basically just challenger/champion level tourneys. Now its so fukkin convoluted and ridiculous that its backwards..no sliding scale for strength of schedule either.
I think that covers it.
http://tennislink.usta.com/Tournaments/Rankings/RankingHome.aspx you can check all the different lists and bullshyt here
of course..my junior rankings from when i was #1 in the region and was being offered credit cards by bolletieri is no longer in the archives
- Non-ranked (people who never entered a tourney)
- Serie 4 (6 rankings, from 40, 30/5, 30/4... to 30/1) : people that starts playing tennis with consistency in tourneys
- Serie 3 (5 rankings, from 30, 15/5, 15/4... to 15/1) : people who start to be good at tennis and are able to beat brehs who are ranked higher than them
- Serie 2+ (7 rankings, from 15, 5/6, 4/6... to 0) : people who are really good and can have access to the teaching diploma
- Serie 2- (4 rankings, -2/6, -4/6, -15, -30) : semi-pros, that are paid by clubs to play for them in interclubs and who can play ITF, ATP tourneys and have an ATP ranking
- Promotion (#31 to #100 in the nation) : pros, playing consistently in challengers, futures and who are ranked according to their ATP ranking)
- Serie 1 : top 30 (Gasquet, Monfils, Tsonga and them who are ranked according to their ATP ranking).
All the rankings individually have a minimum points (a kind of floor) and a specific number of victories taken into account to determine your rank (said number can decrease if you're W/L ratio is too negative (only for Serie 2 people) or increase if it's very positive (up to 6 victories more than normal). At the end of the season, if your points are below the floor, your rank decrease, if you're above, you stay at your rank and then you rank is recalculated based on the above rank to see if you got enough points to stay at that one.
- when you beat breh who have the same rank, you get 60 points
- when you beat a breh who is ranked better than you, you get 90 points (1 rank above) or 120 points (2+ ranks)
- if you beat breh ranked lower, you get 30pts (1 rank), 20 pts (2), 15(3) and none if they ranked at 4 or more ranks below)
Example : if I'm a 15/5, I need 300 points to stay at my rank but I only my 8 best victories count (if my W/L ratio is 0). Let's say I beat 8 brehs all ranked 1 rank above, I get 720 points which is more than enough to stay at 15/5. So then I base my victories on the higher rank which is 15/4. At 15/4, the floor is 310 and it's still 8 victories max but the same 8 brehs are now ranked the same as me so I get 480 pts which is enough to stay so I'm now a 15/4. I then do the same for 15/3 (minimum 320) but the 8 brehs are now ranked lower than me and I only get 240 points. With that, I only have the minimum to go at 15/4 unless my ratio is good enough to have the ability to add 2 or 3 more victories (or better ones) into account to get enough points to be above the minimum required to stay at 15/3.
The tourneys you can participate in have rankings brackets.
Usually they are two types : 40 to 15/1 (meaning only Serie 3 and Serie 4 players) or 30 to 0 (meaning only Serie 2+ and Serie 3 players allowed). Seeds in tourney are ranked according to their rankings : better ranked brehs are seeded better and usually each round equals a ranking and a day : for a 40 to 15/1 tourney, the 1st round starts with the non-ranked and the 40s then the winners advance to the 2nd round where the 30/5s are seeded. The 3rd round is when the 30/4s are seeded and so on. For example, two years ago, I had a good tourney and passed 5 or 6 rounds and successively beat from 40 to 30/2 losing to a 30/1 in the span of a week.
- Serie 4 (6 rankings, from 40, 30/5, 30/4... to 30/1) : people that starts playing tennis with consistency in tourneys
- Serie 3 (5 rankings, from 30, 15/5, 15/4... to 15/1) : people who start to be good at tennis and are able to beat brehs who are ranked higher than them
- Serie 2+ (7 rankings, from 15, 5/6, 4/6... to 0) : people who are really good and can have access to the teaching diploma
- Serie 2- (4 rankings, -2/6, -4/6, -15, -30) : semi-pros, that are paid by clubs to play for them in interclubs and who can play ITF, ATP tourneys and have an ATP ranking
- Promotion (#31 to #100 in the nation) : pros, playing consistently in challengers, futures and who are ranked according to their ATP ranking)
- Serie 1 : top 30 (Gasquet, Monfils, Tsonga and them who are ranked according to their ATP ranking).
All the rankings individually have a minimum points (a kind of floor) and a specific number of victories taken into account to determine your rank (said number can decrease if you're W/L ratio is too negative (only for Serie 2 people) or increase if it's very positive (up to 6 victories more than normal). At the end of the season, if your points are below the floor, your rank decrease, if you're above, you stay at your rank and then you rank is recalculated based on the above rank to see if you got enough points to stay at that one.
- when you beat breh who have the same rank, you get 60 points
- when you beat a breh who is ranked better than you, you get 90 points (1 rank above) or 120 points (2+ ranks)
- if you beat breh ranked lower, you get 30pts (1 rank), 20 pts (2), 15(3) and none if they ranked at 4 or more ranks below)
Example : if I'm a 15/5, I need 300 points to stay at my rank but I only my 8 best victories count (if my W/L ratio is 0). Let's say I beat 8 brehs all ranked 1 rank above, I get 720 points which is more than enough to stay at 15/5. So then I base my victories on the higher rank which is 15/4. At 15/4, the floor is 310 and it's still 8 victories max but the same 8 brehs are now ranked the same as me so I get 480 pts which is enough to stay so I'm now a 15/4. I then do the same for 15/3 (minimum 320) but the 8 brehs are now ranked lower than me and I only get 240 points. With that, I only have the minimum to go at 15/4 unless my ratio is good enough to have the ability to add 2 or 3 more victories (or better ones) into account to get enough points to be above the minimum required to stay at 15/3.
The tourneys you can participate in have rankings brackets.
Usually they are two types : 40 to 15/1 (meaning only Serie 3 and Serie 4 players) or 30 to 0 (meaning only Serie 2+ and Serie 3 players allowed). Seeds in tourney are ranked according to their rankings : better ranked brehs are seeded better and usually each round equals a ranking and a day : for a 40 to 15/1 tourney, the 1st round starts with the non-ranked and the 40s then the winners advance to the 2nd round where the 30/5s are seeded. The 3rd round is when the 30/4s are seeded and so on. For example, two years ago, I had a good tourney and passed 5 or 6 rounds and successively beat from 40 to 30/2 losing to a 30/1 in the span of a week.
Rooting for Safarova only because she's a lefty@Liu Kang its too early for all this noise init
still in bed and sharapova is screaming early
I need her to win though
