The official RICOCHET in WWE thread

[Bryan Danielson]

I'm not gonna put it all on the company.

Wwe is & has always been a character based wrestling promotion & you can't come into the game thinking you can get by on just athleticism.

& for those comparing him to Pentagon jr need to cut it out. Pentagon got charisma.

There's 10+ other guys on the roster that can do what riochet can do.

Like I said he doesn't stand out.

Na, because as the company.... especially being the biggest. They should easily be able to pull out his strengths and hide the so called weaknesses.

Also the Pentagon Jr comparison is fair. Yes he got charisma. But I also hear that Roman Reigns got mad charisma too from many wrestlers still with the company and outside. But everyone admits he’s bland as water and rice.

Also, the only one that can do what he does is Johnny Nitro and not even he does it as great as Trevor.

Gotta bring it back to Enzo though. He’s the shining example of how charisma can only get you so far. Everyone admits he’s dope on the mic but the overall view of him is “he sucks” and that’s due to his lack of wrestling ability

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Also, they at minimum could’ve built him up like they did Rey Mysterio.

Like let’s keep it 100, Rey ain’t the best promo guy. There has never been one epic or great promo by Rey that everyone goes back to and raves about like

But they always emphasize his athleticism and shyt he can do in the ring.

Also, in the E. What really is his character other than “masked Mexican wrestler that’s friends with Eddie and has colorful ring gear”

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

Na, because as the company.... especially being the biggest. They should easily be able to pull out his strengths and hide the so called weaknesses.

Also the Pentagon Jr comparison is fair. Yes he got charisma. But I also hear that Roman Reigns got mad charisma too from many wrestlers still with the company and outside. But everyone admits he’s bland as water and rice.

Also, the only one that can do what he does is Johnny Nitro and not even he does it as great as Trevor.

Gotta bring it back to Enzo though. He’s the shining example of how charisma can only get you so far. Everyone admits he’s dope on the mic but the overall view of him is “he sucks” and that’s due to his lack of wrestling ability

Riochet hit his ceiling as far as I'm concerned with the wwe.

What else ricochet got in his bag that he didn't display while in the wwe?

They gave him plenty of air time to showcase his high flying talent & within that time he's never proven he can take it to that next level.

The narrative is always gonna be big bad wwe who can't get it right with nobody, but not everyone has the juice like certain people think they do.

I feel like he's gotten his fair share while in the wwe.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

The WWE has an entrenched history of failure when it comes to undercutting people and spotlighting their weaknesses, and their Stockholm Syndrome fans will still make excuses for them. Ricochet looked like a stud in NXT, the brand WITHIN THE WWE, so how exactly is he turned into a total loser on the main roster, and people claim it’s not on the WWE??? That’s silly.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

1- Riochet hit his ceiling as far as I'm concerned with the wwe.

2- What else ricochet got in his bag that he didn't display while in the wwe?

3- They gave him plenty of air time to showcase his high flying talent & within that time he's never proven he can take it to that next level.

4- The narrative is always gonna be big bad wwe who can't get it right with nobody, but not everyone has the juice like certain people think they do.

I feel like he's gotten his fair share while in the wwe.

1- I do agree with your first sentence. But not because of him, due to the limitations they set.

2- Much more.

3- Plenty is scraps in comparison to Seth, KO, Dolph, Braun, etc white wrestler. But I guess like in life even in the WWE black wrestlers have to work 10x as hard just to be close to equal.

4- The Narrative still hasn’t been proven false and there’s countless evidence to support it going back 30 years

5- I can’t really dispute this, cuz that’s your opinion and in the end I do respect it. But I also have that look right now!

As I look at the fair shares of people like Charlotte, the guys I previously named, Miz, hell even Sheamus and Cesaro, it still feels unbalanced.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Like when it come to character and promos.

We have to admit that not everyone is GREAT.

It’s really only a handful. I feel like the majority of the roster is about the same.

Ricochet can cut a promo as great as say Big E.

But he’s no worse than or on the same level as Brock, Cesaro, Corbin and many more

 

[OVER]

I ain't watched WWE in years but I knew dude was gonna flop, his ceiling was being the black athletic booster in TLC/MIB/Rumble matches. The only part that is dudes fault is he can't talk, but can't help his lack of charisma. He could've been presented better and if WWE cared about him on an individual level they would've covered his flaws. Like he was the ace in LU before Pentagon and Fenix and somewhere like Impact would make him look like a star. He can also get over in AEW but I feel like they get these dudes stuck on bad habits no selling, no story telling, just holy shyt wrestling dumbness.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

I ain't watched WWE in years but I knew dude was gonna flop, his ceiling was being the black athletic booster in TLC/MIB/Rumble matches. The only part that is dudes fault is he can't talk, but can't help his lack of charisma. He could've been presented better and if WWE cared about him on an individual level they would've covered his flaws. Like he was the ace in LU before Pentagon and Fenix and somewhere like Impact would make him look like a star. He can also get over in AEW but I feel like they get these dudes stuck on bad habits no selling, no story telling, just holy shyt wrestling dumbness.

A company with an hour of TV a week made Ricochet look like a star while under a mask, hardly talking and managed by Konnan, but the GRANDEST STAGE OF THEM ALL couldn’t??

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I ain't watched WWE in years but I knew dude was gonna flop, his ceiling was being the black athletic booster in TLC/MIB/Rumble matches. The only part that is dudes fault is he can't talk, but can't help his lack of charisma. He could've been presented better and if WWE cared about him on an individual level they would've covered his flaws. Like he was the ace in LU before Pentagon and Fenix and somewhere like Impact would make him look like a star. He can also get over in AEW but I feel like they get these dudes stuck on bad habits no selling, no story telling, just holy shyt wrestling dumbness.

In defense..... of not really AEW but modern wrestling period. I disagree with the narrative of “they don’t tell stories” or “lack of storytelling” rubbish.

I just believe they tell stories in a different more modern way that many people need to get away from that old mindset.

like WWE still like to tell story’s like movies in the 70s when in the fight scenes they are slow predictable, and when the bad guy chops you in the neck you’re ko’d for a day.

Modern day wrestling is like John Wick.... a movie many LOVE.

John Wick can literally get hit by a car, stabbed in his back, shot in his stomach...... and still put up a hell of a fight and keep going. We praise that, we believe that and want to see a 4th one.

I look at the so called “indie or japan style” no differently than modern movie flicks.

shyt evolved

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Wwe style =

Slow down pace , all that selling


Everyone else that adapted to the times style =

 

[RammerJammer]

In defense..... of not really AEW but modern wrestling period. I disagree with the narrative of “they don’t tell stories” or “lack of storytelling” rubbish.

I just believe they tell stories in a different more modern way that many people need to get away from that old mindset.

like WWE still like to tell story’s like movies in the 70s when in the fight scenes they are slow predictable, and when the bad guy chops you in the neck you’re ko’d for a day.

Modern day wrestling is like John Wick.... a movie many LOVE.

John Wick can literally get hit by a car, stabbed in his back, shot in his stomach...... and still put up a hell of a fight and keep going. We praise that, we believe that and want to see a 4th one.

I look at the so called “indie or japan style” no differently than modern movie flicks.

shyt evolved

I agree, I think we gotta get out of making the WWE style only standard and acceptable way of telling a story in the ring, when it's good it's good for sure but it's kind of outdated too.

WWE styles hurts a lot of talent cause they have to slow down, I immediately think of AJ Styles vs Shinsuke Nakamura, they were never going to recreate what they did in Japan because the WWE style didn't allow them to.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

It’s like the action in everything else from movies to sports has evolved and embraced.

But in wrestling people hate on the evolution and still wanna see matches like Gino Hernandez vs Kerry Von Erich back in back in 1983

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I agree, I think we gotta get out of making the WWE style only standard and acceptable way of telling a story in the ring, when it's good it's good for sure but it's kind of outdated too.

WWE styles hurts a lot of talent cause they have to slow down, I immediately think of AJ Styles vs Shinsuke Nakamura, they were never going to recreate what they did in Japan because the WWE style didn't allow them to.

hell not even just that.

Think about the AJ vs Joe match.

or all them other TNA/ROH talent vs TNA/ROH talent matches they had on the E that never lived up to what they were.

I went back and saw an old Kevin Steen vs Tyler Black match one time and was like then Remembering the later ones

 

[RammerJammer]

hell not even just that.

Think about the AJ vs Joe match.

or all them other TNA/ROH talent vs TNA/ROH talent matches they had on the E that never lived up to what they were.

I went back and saw an old Kevin Steen vs Tyler Black match one time and was like then Remembering the later ones

Yup, a lot of AJ's run as WWE and US Champ was a kinda less than stellar because of that, also AJ vs KO, should've been a MOTY contender but I barely remember the match, sometimes they gotta just let these guys go out and deliver and not hold them back to having a wrestle a certain style. That's why I don't even get excited anymore when WWE is like "oh this is a dream match!" cause I know it's not gonna meet expectations.

 

[Jello Biafra]

WWE overpays a bunch of mediocre writers to come up with scripts for Raw and SMackdown because Vince wants to promote his product as a TV show first and foremost.

If that's the case then those writers should come up with characters and angles for the wrestlers (especially the ones who are dry as fukk like Ricochet) to make them palatable to audiences.

So the "Ricochet is a flop in WWE because he can't do promos and has no character to speak of" is bullshyt because the promos in WWE are written for the wrestlers and the company should be creating characters not expecting the wrestlers to do it all especially under the rigid structure of WWE.

So if Ricochet could work in Lucha and NJPW but doesn't work in WWE maybe it's the fault of WWE.