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If that's true, you can clamp down and criticize anything on nearly some hater type shyt...lol. Interesting.
That's with anything in the creative or artistic realm.

However... photography is less subjective than art. With art, there's really no rules per se... you're not confined to a square or a rectangle for your "canvas", art can be made on and out of damn near anything. The variance in how a person relates to or interprets art is so massive IMO compared to photography

The vast majority of photography is held together within 4 lines, and it's easier to decipher when something is 'off' within the medium. And I'm not even saying being super technical trumps all with photography, because that's far from true... a photographer has to seek being artistic depending on what they are going for stylistically, and an artist, is just an artist by default.

A lot of photographers don't even really check the "Artist" box IMO when you really think about it.
 
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Very good advice. :SNAKESALUTE:

I really agree with you on the watermark. Branding is great and all that, but in an all digital world, worrying about someone potential "stealing" your image is kind of backwards thinking at this point.
The watermark distracts from the image and just like you said, no one is going back and reaching out to the photographer based on the watermark.
Best thing is to build up an IG with strong images and get business through DM's and referrals.
Another thing is, what are you really going to do about people "stealing" your images? No one is going to hire a lawyer or track someone down. in 2019 you just have to find a way to find satisfaction that at least your work was good enough for someone to steal.
I think of it like this... "Do I want to work with people that I need to place my watermark on my images?"
:jbhmm:

No, and nobody should. You should do work that's good, to the point where your clients are your advocates, not a digital billboard on Facebook or IG. You deliver on a shoot, and they will sing your praises and not have any issue referring you. And that's what matters, watermarks are played out, I cringe when I see them.
 

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shots from a meetup i went to.
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You're in your bag with the look you go for with these.

How much you charge for your sessions and how many images you give your clients? I'm curious
 

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You have to understand how exposure works before all things when you start out. I'd say get familiar with your camera and how to operate it. If you really want to get good, shoot in Manual Mode (where you have to manually set your ISO, Shutter Speed, and Aperture). Get away from shooting in Auto, it'll hinder yourself from developing your own photographic eye and mindset.

Play around with the Auto Focusing Modes so you know what your cam is capable of and when to use the various modes.

Another big thing that takes time to develop is just knowing how to compose a good image. There's no real guide or playbook for composing images, because ultimately, everybody has their own style, so it's really a feel thing. The more you shoot, the more composition is on your mind, just seeing how the light is hitting, angles, perspective and depth... there's a lot that separates people who just are snapping shots vs a photographer. Since you're just starting out, a good way to go is to try and think about how you're framing your shots. (like the last pic with the dude in it, you cut off his feet... just move back some and that's not an issue)...

Also, with photography, I'd say you want to get as much right as possible in-camera. Meaning, don't go into shoots or shooting period saying, "I'll just photoshop that out"... this will come with experience, but your environment and background for the images is damn near just as important as the subject that you're shooting. So be mindful of that. If there's shyt all over the place and you're trying to take a serious portrait of someone, it's not going to look right. It's like the pics with the thots in the bathroom snapping a selfie with a toilet full of shyt in the mirror

:huhldup:

I'd also say to chuck the watermark in the trash. Personally? I've always thought they were trash and never used them ever. Plus how often do you actually check someone's work because of their watermark all over an image? Best way to get traffic back to your work/pages/social media would be to have whoever posted the pics to give you photo cred and tag you in the post when they share it. And even then, a lot of people aren't going to care to go and look you up, unless you're work is head turning type stuff.

I'm not even going to get into editing, because that's another animal for a different post.

So I do normally shoot in Manual and I am shooting RAW, however this pic of said person ( that may or may not be me) was taken in portrait mode. I have however been told that "AV" is a great way to shoot because manual mode can take a longer time to get the setting right.

The photoshop stuff, I realized I was OD'ing on it because I was obsessed with making the pics look "better" and not focusing on just fixing it to be the best.

As for the watermark, I was just happy that I made my own, I do agree it is way too big but I was trying to distract from the horrible photoshop job I did on that table

Very good advice. :SNAKESALUTE:

I really agree with you on the watermark. Branding is great and all that, but in an all digital world, worrying about someone potential "stealing" your image is kind of backwards thinking at this point.
The watermark distracts from the image and just like you said, no one is going back and reaching out to the photographer based on the watermark.
Best thing is to build up an IG with strong images and get business through DM's and referrals.
Another thing is, what are you really going to do about people "stealing" your images? No one is going to hire a lawyer or track someone down. in 2019 you just have to find a way to find satisfaction that at least your work was good enough for someone to steal.

yea I can see how the watermark can be a distraction, I didnt do it for marketing I just wanted to see how it would look
 

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You mentioned you're company has done some Gov. work/contracts in the past, do yal have any Small Business/Minority Business certifications as well that help to put yal on to various State/Gov RFPs that are coming up in your area?
 
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@Kamikaze Revy

You mentioned you're company has done some Gov. work/contracts in the past, do yal have any Small Business/Minority Business certifications as well that help to put yal onto various State/Gov RFPs that are coming up in your area?
We don't because I own my company 50/50. Im hispanic and my business partner is a white ex-marine I grew up with.
One of us would have to give up 1% in order to be eligible for the minority owned or the veteran owned status.
In our case, it hasn't been an issue. We got lucky as hell with our first government job.

Long story short, a friend of a friend works for a local government contractor that does program management for the Navy.
That contractor won a contract to conduct training and part of that contract was to create videos to support the training.
The contractor had never done videos and had no clue where to even begin.
The friend of a friend got our information, reached out to us, and we made it happen.
That one job landed us $95k for 8 two minute videos and 2 ten minute videos (that price is a long story in and of itself because they normally don't pay anywhere near that much but after a bunch of negotiating we worked it out in our favor as well).
After that job was finished we registered our company so we could bid directly on government contracts ourselves; the challenge with that is that government wants you to have "subject matter experts" involved in EVERY job. So even if the contract is specifically for videos, we would still need to work with at least one other company in order to be eligible to bid.

If you're interested in the challenge, you first have to set up your business legally (LLC or whatever you decide you want it to be. Mines is an LLC Partnership), you get you EIN number from the IRS for your business, you register you business with you state, get your license, (all the works to be legally in business in The US). Once you have your business in order, you register your business with the government via the SAM.gov website. This is the site where you essentially give the government all your info and tell them you want to work with them. Everyone gets approved and it's an easy process. You just have to get your business details in order first. After you get approved and registered with SAM.gov, you can start bidding on RFP's (request for proposal) via FBO.gov (Fed Biz Ops) where the government posts all the jobs that they are required to put out for bid. Here's the real kick in the balls though. If you don't know anyone at all in the military or already doing contracting with the government, your chances are going to be pretty slim at landing a contract. What we found out really quick through our experience with the past few contractors is that before a job is made public, military personnel have already snuck the information out to their buddies that work for contractors. By the time it hits the net, a lot of contractors have already known about the jobs for weeks if not months. It's SUPPOSED to be a fair process open to all, but A LOT of conversations happen behind closed doors that lead up to who wins these contracts. All that to say, it's not impossible, and if you land one, it will definitely put you in the conversation to do more work, but approach the opportunity with some pessimism because there's a lot stacked against you coming out the gate. I say give it a shot. If nothing else, it's a cool resume booster to be able to say you are a registered government contractor.

My recommendation is to register your business for government contracting like I mentioned, but focus on finding small government contractors looking for training videos, or product videos for products being marketing to the military or local government. Bottom line is get close to businesses and people that are already working with the government and try to roll one job into another that will get you closer to the bigger budget work.
 
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We don't because I own my company 50/50. Im hispanic and my business partner is a white ex-marine I grew up with.
One of us would have to give up 1% in order to be eligible for the minority owned or the veteran owned status.
In our case, it hasn't been an issue. We got lucky as hell with our first government job.

Long story short, a friend of a friend works for a local government contractor that does program management for the Navy.
That contractor won a contract to conduct training and part of that contract was to create videos to support the training.
The contractor had never done videos and had no clue where to even begin.
The friend of a friend got our information, reached out to us, and we made it happen.
That one job landed us $95k for 8 two minute videos and 2 ten minute videos (that price is a long story in and of itself because they normally don't pay anywhere near that much but after a bunch of negotiating we worked it out in our favor as well).
After that job was finished we registered our company so we could bid directly on government contracts ourselves; the challenge with that is that government wants you to have "subject matter experts" involved in EVERY job. So even if the contract is specifically for videos, we would still need to work with at least one other company in order to be eligible to bid.

If you're interested in the challenge, you first have to set up your business legally (LLC or whatever you decide you want it to be. Mines is an LLC Partnership), you get you EIN number from the IRS for your business, you register you business with you state, get your license, (all the works to be legally in business in The US). Once you have your business in order, you register your business with the government via the SAM.gov website. This is the site where you essentially give the government all your info and tell them you want to work with them. Everyone gets approved and it's an easy process. You just have to get your business details in order first. After you get approved and registered with SAM.gov, you can start bidding on RFP's (request for proposal) via FBO.gov (Fed Biz Ops) where the government posts all the jobs that they are required to put out for bid. Here's the real kick in the balls though. If you don't know anyone at all in the military or already doing contracting with the government, your chances are going to be pretty slim at landing a contract. What we found out really quick through our experience with the past few contractors is that before a job is made public, military personnel have already snuck the information out to their buddies that work for contractors. By the time it hits the net, a lot of contractors have already known about the jobs for weeks if not months. It's SUPPOSED to be a fair process open to all, but A LOT of conversations happen behind closed doors that lead up to who wins these contracts. All that to say, it's not impossible, and if you land one, it will definitely put you in the conversation to do more work, but approach the opportunity with some pessimism because there's a lot stacked against you coming out the gate. I say give it a shot. If nothing else, it's a cool resume booster to be able to say you are a registered government contractor.

My recommendation is to register your business for government contracting like I mentioned, but focus on finding small government contractors looking for training videos, or product videos for products being marketing to the military or local government. Bottom line is get close to businesses and people that are already working with the government and try to roll one job into another that will get you closer to the bigger budget work.
Good looking. Was curious.

I own my agency 50/50 with my brother, the funny thing is I intended on registering our LLC as an MBE 2 years ago, but my brother was on some other shyt at the time I was getting all the information to apply for it.

:snoop:

We're already a legit corporation LLC. I have a homegirl who's a CPA with her own Accounting Business, so she got set all that up for us.

My wife works in the resource industry and she was telling me they have initiatives in place where they have quotas for contracting minority small businesses. So I was all over it, but since my partner was being difficult I didn't send all the stuff in and said fukk it.

I'm tired of working solely with individuals without legit budgets. Time to start bidding on some of these contracts and RFPs and land something real.
 
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Good looking. Was curious.

I own my agency 50/50 with my brother, the funny thing is I intended on registering our LLC as an MBE 2 years ago, but my brother was on some other shyt at the time I was getting all the information to apply for it.

:snoop:

We're already a legit corporation LLC. I have a homegirl who's a CPA with her own Accounting Business, so she got set all that up for us.

My wife works in the resource industry and she was telling me they have initiatives in place where they have quotas for contracting minority small businesses. So I was all over it, but since my partner was being difficult I didn't send all the stuff in and said fukk it.

I'm tired of working solely with individuals without legit budgets. Time to start bidding on some of these contracts and RFPs and land something real.
We got our start doing videos for local barber shops. Start out $150 a video now our starting rate is $300 for a one minute video.
Realtors are also a decent market if you can get in with the right ones and convince them that a realty walkthrough vídeo makes their job easier.
If you’re really up for the grind, get out there and offer some local business free work. Selling vídeo and photo service to businesses is where the money is. You just have to approach it from the perspective of the business. Convince them that the video or photos will increase their business.
 

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We don't because I own my company 50/50. Im hispanic and my business partner is a white ex-marine I grew up with.
One of us would have to give up 1% in order to be eligible for the minority owned or the veteran owned status.
In our case, it hasn't been an issue. We got lucky as hell with our first government job.

Long story short, a friend of a friend works for a local government contractor that does program management for the Navy.
That contractor won a contract to conduct training and part of that contract was to create videos to support the training.
The contractor had never done videos and had no clue where to even begin.
The friend of a friend got our information, reached out to us, and we made it happen.
That one job landed us $95k for 8 two minute videos and 2 ten minute videos (that price is a long story in and of itself because they normally don't pay anywhere near that much but after a bunch of negotiating we worked it out in our favor as well).
After that job was finished we registered our company so we could bid directly on government contracts ourselves; the challenge with that is that government wants you to have "subject matter experts" involved in EVERY job. So even if the contract is specifically for videos, we would still need to work with at least one other company in order to be eligible to bid.

If you're interested in the challenge, you first have to set up your business legally (LLC or whatever you decide you want it to be. Mines is an LLC Partnership), you get you EIN number from the IRS for your business, you register you business with you state, get your license, (all the works to be legally in business in The US). Once you have your business in order, you register your business with the government via the SAM.gov website. This is the site where you essentially give the government all your info and tell them you want to work with them. Everyone gets approved and it's an easy process. You just have to get your business details in order first. After you get approved and registered with SAM.gov, you can start bidding on RFP's (request for proposal) via FBO.gov (Fed Biz Ops) where the government posts all the jobs that they are required to put out for bid. Here's the real kick in the balls though. If you don't know anyone at all in the military or already doing contracting with the government, your chances are going to be pretty slim at landing a contract. What we found out really quick through our experience with the past few contractors is that before a job is made public, military personnel have already snuck the information out to their buddies that work for contractors. By the time it hits the net, a lot of contractors have already known about the jobs for weeks if not months. It's SUPPOSED to be a fair process open to all, but A LOT of conversations happen behind closed doors that lead up to who wins these contracts. All that to say, it's not impossible, and if you land one, it will definitely put you in the conversation to do more work, but approach the opportunity with some pessimism because there's a lot stacked against you coming out the gate. I say give it a shot. If nothing else, it's a cool resume booster to be able to say you are a registered government contractor.

My recommendation is to register your business for government contracting like I mentioned, but focus on finding small government contractors looking for training videos, or product videos for products being marketing to the military or local government. Bottom line is get close to businesses and people that are already working with the government and try to roll one job into another that will get you closer to the bigger budget work.
I was just coming in here to ask a similar question

I shoot as a hobby, I think being able to make money from doing this wouldnt be too painful for me, however I know nothing about that world and how much energy or time is required to profit off of this shyt.
I mean is it as simple as setting up an account with like shutterstock contributor and start getting paid for your work?
I think since I travel alot I have the oppurtunity to take some really unique pictures and I should be able to sell them once I get better at this.

am I over simplifying this or naw?
 

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You have to understand how exposure works before all things when you start out. I'd say get familiar with your camera and how to operate it. If you really want to get good, shoot in Manual Mode (where you have to manually set your ISO, Shutter Speed, and Aperture). Get away from shooting in Auto, it'll hinder yourself from developing your own photographic eye and mindset.

Play around with the Auto Focusing Modes so you know what your cam is capable of and when to use the various modes.

Another big thing that takes time to develop is just knowing how to compose a good image. There's no real guide or playbook for composing images, because ultimately, everybody has their own style, so it's really a feel thing. The more you shoot, the more composition is on your mind, just seeing how the light is hitting, angles, perspective and depth... there's a lot that separates people who just are snapping shots vs a photographer. Since you're just starting out, a good way to go is to try and think about how you're framing your shots. (like the last pic with the dude in it, you cut off his feet... just move back some and that's not an issue)...

Also, with photography, I'd say you want to get as much right as possible in-camera. Meaning, don't go into shoots or shooting period saying, "I'll just photoshop that out"... this will come with experience, but your environment and background for the images is damn near just as important as the subject that you're shooting. So be mindful of that. If there's shyt all over the place and you're trying to take a serious portrait of someone, it's not going to look right. It's like the pics with the thots in the bathroom snapping a selfie with a toilet full of shyt in the mirror

:huhldup:

I'd also say to chuck the watermark in the trash. Personally? I've always thought they were trash and never used them ever. Plus how often do you actually check someone's work because of their watermark all over an image? Best way to get traffic back to your work/pages/social media would be to have whoever posted the pics to give you photo cred and tag you in the post when they share it. And even then, a lot of people aren't going to care to go and look you up, unless you're work is head turning type stuff.

I'm not even going to get into editing, because that's another animal for a different post.


excellent info
 

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I was just coming in here to ask a similar question

I shoot as a hobby, I think being able to make money from doing this wouldnt be too painful for me, however I know nothing about that world and how much energy or time is required to profit off of this shyt.
I mean is it as simple as setting up an account with like shutterstock contributor and start getting paid for your work?
I think since I travel alot I have the oppurtunity to take some really unique pictures and I should be able to sell them once I get better at this.

am I over simplifying this or naw?
My advice for ANYONE in ANY business starting from zero is just to create create create and build that portfolio up. Don’t get crippled by trying to be a perfectionist. Definitely take pride in your craft, but don’t sit around doing nothing waiting to be as good as everyone else because you’ll always find someone better at what you do. If it’s your passion, then get out there and network. Your priority the first few years should be to completely ignore money and do free work for as many people as possible. Reach out to small businesses and approach them from the angle that your service can increase their visibility online and increase the amount of potential clients they get. As a photographer or videographer the biggest and easiest mistake you can make when marketing yourself is to pitch how great your content is. Businesses don’t operate on that frequency. They don’t understand a conversation about talent. They only understand income vs expense. Your service is nothing more than an expense to them. One that doesn’t seem necessary for their operations in the slightest. So you have to speak to them in their language. Talk only about how you can help increase their business. Offer free shoots until your portfolio has enough high profile clients to get you in the door at high ticket businesses. Reach out to realtors and ask if you can shoot their properties for free. Hit up local restaurants, mechanics, car washes, etc. And offer free shoots. Treat them like paid gigs and knock it out the park for them. I gargantee over time you won’t even have to stress getting out there to market yourself. If you treat those free gigs the right way, and impress those businesses, they’ll start recommending you to their friends and family and that’s when you can hit people with a price for your service. Don’t get greedy or impatient. Building a business is an incredibly slow burn. If you’re doing what your passionate about the money isn’t going to matter to you. If you find you only want to do something that has a paycheck tied to it then you might not be truly passionate about it.
 
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My advice for ANYONE aid ANY business starting from zero is just to create create create and build that portfolio up. Don’t get crippled by trying to be a perfectionist. Definitely take pride in your craft, but don’t sit around doing nothing waiting to be as good as everyone else because you’ll always find someone better at what you do. If it’s your passion, then get out there and network. Your priority the first few years should be to completely ignore money and do free work for as many people as possible. Reach out to small businesses and approach them from the angle that your service can increase their visibility online and increase the amount of potential clients they get. As a photographer or videographer the biggest and easiest mistake you can make when marketing yourself is to pitch how great your content is. Businesses don’t operate on that frequency. They don’t understand a conversation about talent. They only understand income vs expense. Your service is nothing more than an expense to them. One that doesn’t seem necessary for their operations in the slightest. So you have to speak to them in their language. Talk only about how you can help increase their business. Offer free shoots until your portfolio has enough high profile clients to get you in the door at high ticket businesses. Reach out to realtors and ask if you can shoot their properties for free. Hit up local restaurants, mechanics, car washes, etc. And offer free shoots. Treat them like paid gigs and knock it out the park for them. I gargantee over time you won’t even have to stress getting out there to market yourself. If you treat those free gigs the right way, and impress those businesses, they’ll start recommending you to their friends and family and that’s when you can hit people with a price for your service. Don’t get greedy or impatient. Building a business is an incredibly slow burn. If you’re doing what your passionate about the money isn’t going to matter to you. If you find you only want to do something that has a paycheck tied to it then you might not be truly passionate about it.
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