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This is what I'm thinking too. I wasn't a fan of the Gruden rehire, but I don't think he's the problem. I think Gruden gets better results with a better QB.
If a nikka says they knew what you were doing based on your formation, you got way bigger problems than the qb. His playcalling had been suspect all season.
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I wouldn't be mad at taking Jalen Hurts, I believe in these new mobile QB's. Imagine him and Jacobs running the option
Hurts is nowhere near the level of a Murray/Lamar/Watson. Unless we get him with a 2nd day pick then nah
If you're working with a QB with a limited skillset, the formations and plays will become repetitive after a while.
He's made the shyt that way. There were a bunch of articles about it early in the season before they started playing weak teams and the narrative c, this is what he got.
He wants a game manager, he got rid of the Cooper, lost AB, Waller ain't a secret no more, ain't nobody else with a damn I ain't 
got Carr, get him out of here
. But this offense been trash. Carr at his best was airing it out to Coop and Crabtree, now Gruden got him LeBron James stat padding. It's both of them. Y'all know damn well the shyt would be way different if they had AB though.
Carr is trash
Receiver core trash
Jacobs only bright spot, but he’ll be burned out in a few years with Gruden 1990s offensive scheme
defense is still trash... no pass rush and who’s the linebackers and who’s the best defensive back on the team?? No one
be satisfied with a squad who will stay around or below 500 as long as Gruden in control and Andy Reid is in the same division
Receiver core trash
Jacobs only bright spot, but he’ll be burned out in a few years with Gruden 1990s offensive scheme
defense is still trash... no pass rush and who’s the linebackers and who’s the best defensive back on the team?? No one
be satisfied with a squad who will stay around or below 500 as long as Gruden in control and Andy Reid is in the same division
Gruden after 1st KC game...He's made the shyt that way. There were a bunch of articles about it early in the season before they started playing weak teams and the narrative c, this is what he got.
Raiders aren’t getting the ball down the field
Before the regular season began, Raider coach Jon Gruden made it clear that he wants to get the ball down the field. On Sunday against the Chiefs, the Raiders did not get the ball down the field.
As noted by Vic Tafur of TheAthletic.com, the Raiders had zero passes on Sunday that traveled more than 25 yards past the line of scrimmage. Making that performance more glaring was that the opponent — the Chiefs — had eight of them.
“We called some shots and obviously the ball didn’t go down the field,” Gruden said Monday, via Tafur. Gruden acknowledged that Kansas City’s pass rush put a crimp in those plans. “It’s a little bit more challenging than just calling up shots.”
Right, but not a single pass thrown more than 25 yards down the field when Gruden was dialing up plays that called for them? It sounds like the kind of thing that could make Gruden wonder whether he’s got the right guy in position to turn Gruden’s wish into reality, especially if Carr doesn’t start finding a way to get the ball down the field.
As noted by Vic Tafur of TheAthletic.com, the Raiders had zero passes on Sunday that traveled more than 25 yards past the line of scrimmage. Making that performance more glaring was that the opponent — the Chiefs — had eight of them.
“We called some shots and obviously the ball didn’t go down the field,” Gruden said Monday, via Tafur. Gruden acknowledged that Kansas City’s pass rush put a crimp in those plans. “It’s a little bit more challenging than just calling up shots.”
Right, but not a single pass thrown more than 25 yards down the field when Gruden was dialing up plays that called for them? It sounds like the kind of thing that could make Gruden wonder whether he’s got the right guy in position to turn Gruden’s wish into reality, especially if Carr doesn’t start finding a way to get the ball down the field.
This isn't the offense Gruden wants. He's doing the best he can with a QB that needs everything to happen perfectly to take a shot downfield.
Who is there to catch the downfield passes though? Williams has literally dropped every one, Foster not even in the gameplan any more, Renfrow gone, Waller blanketed.
Carr was trash when he did have receivers to go to the past 2 previous seasons though.
Oh, I agree that he doesn't have many weapons, and I haven't watched a coaches film since 2017 so I can't definitively tell you if he's missing open receivers downfield or not. I'm saying that I believe the reason our offense is predictable is because of Carr's unwillingness to take shots down the field when things aren't perfect.
As conservative of a play caller Gruden may be, he has still been adamant about the need to get the ball downfield since he's been back. It's hard for me to believe that someone who wants to take more shots is only going to have deep route options in 1 or 2 formations. I think Carr is just unwilling to look for the downfield option unless he's in a situation/formation he's comfortable with and the Cheifs picked up on that.
Like I said, it's been a while since I've watched all-22 film, but I can tell you the last time I watched, Carr was noticeably passing up downfield opportunities for the short, safe option. I doubt that has changed.
He's under pressure in s bunch of them gifs. 
Throw a bag at ron rivera for def