Essential The Official MMA Thread

[storyteller]

So frustrating. Kyoji's one of my favorite fighters and he was putting on a damned clinic. Had Pettis completely blanked and then got caught with the hands down on the exit. Beautiful combination attack from Pettis, now the tournament will be twice as fun.

 

[I AM WE ARE]

ONE is gonna make a good 30 for 30 one day.

How do I invest?

 

[Screwface Exchange]

If Usman were to say retire right now. Would you consider his legacy greater than khabib's. He's 34. Undefeated in ufc, he beat t wood for the belt and defnedednit against colby, Jorge, burns, Jorge and colby again. He has 15 fights while in the ufc.

While khabib as champ beat al quinta connor dustin and gaethe. He has 13 total fights in the ufc.

I know recency bias is huge but when you really look at this on paper. Neither are greats to me. Rrnan barao best Faber and had 4 title defenses before he became washed. Imagine if he retired early too. Wld we consider jim a great.

 

[LinusCaldwell]

Khabib a goat. He actually had a plan and executed it. Most of these other mma dudes don’t have any plans. Cejudo apparently did and now is doing whatever he wants. Glad to see Khabib walk away on top and on his own terms. If Usman did the same yes he would be considered a goat as well. GSP runs 170 though. The thing is we knew Khabib’s plan I’m very interested to see about his disciples how they will be able to execute because people will know these guys are in for a short time.

 

[Screwface Exchange]

I understand he has a plan and good for him on executing but looking back, that isn't sum krazy amazing or wars or tested champiknship run. From either fighter.

Jus noticing if taking a step back and stop sippin da ufc hype n promo machine its like damn, looks pretty normal and avg those reigns.

 

[storyteller]

If Usman were to say retire right now. Would you consider his legacy greater than khabib's. He's 34. Undefeated in ufc, he beat t wood for the belt and defnedednit against colby, Jorge, burns, Jorge and colby again. He has 15 fights while in the ufc.

While khabib as champ beat al quinta connor dustin and gaethe. He has 13 total fights in the ufc.

I know recency bias is huge but when you really look at this on paper. Neither are greats to me. Rrnan barao best Faber and had 4 title defenses before he became washed. Imagine if he retired early too. Wld we consider jim a great.

I just saw the Weasle make a similar point. If Jose Aldo retired after his 13th UFC/WEC fight, he'd be retiring after smoking Korean Zombie (and that'd be his 7th title defense between WEC/UFC, fifth in the UFC).

The all time list is for sustained dominance and I mean dominating at the top. Guys like GSP, Silva, Jones, and Mighty Mouse cleared out their divisions and kept dominating as new generations entered that trained their pro careers with a bullseye on those champs. Those champs had ridiculous amounts of footage and styles of opponents to scout and prepare gameplans off. Khabib got out before that kind of adversity and it means his record has no blemishes, but it also makes his dominance less impressive because I've seen that loop with a bunch of guys, except those other guys kept going until weaknesses were found and exploited.

Also...I value Strength of Schedule over everything in the discussion. How you win being next. Khabib is closer to the way I value Cain Velasquez...Cain at peak was probably the best HW I've ever seen, but injuries took him out before he could establish it. Khabib is the best LW to me, but I drop him down the P4P list because he took himself out of the game before he could establish more.

 

[Screwface Exchange]

I just saw the Weasle make a similar point. If Jose Aldo retired after his 13th UFC/WEC fight, he'd be retiring after smoking Korean Zombie (and that'd be his 7th title defense between WEC/UFC, fifth in the UFC).

The all time list is for sustained dominance and I mean dominating at the top. Guys like GSP, Silva, Jones, and Mighty Mouse cleared out their divisions and kept dominating as new generations entered that trained their pro careers with a bullseye on those champs. Those champs had ridiculous amounts of footage and styles of opponents to scout and prepare gameplans off. Khabib got out before that kind of adversity and it means his record has no blemishes, but it also makes his dominance less impressive because I've seen that loop with a bunch of guys, except those other guys kept going until weaknesses were found and exploited.

Also...I value Strength of Schedule over everything in the discussion. How you win being next. Khabib is closer to the way I value Cain Velasquez...Cain at peak was probably the best HW I've ever seen, but injuries took him out before he could establish it. Khabib is the best LW to me, but I drop him down the P4P list because he took himself out of the game before he could establish more.

Yes I fully agreed with a lot of the points you make. To dominate as champ in what 3 or 4 fights and then leave isn't really that special as you didn't leave the chance for holes in your game to be exposed or face a diverse source of fighters like khabib he never fought a beast bjj or ground fighter. Dustin and and gaethe every1 cn say they have wrestling in they background but they rarely if ever use it in their fights.

What made gsp and Hughes great is they won vs similar and opposite styles over that long term period.

Even kamaru for wrestling he fought colby a top wrestler who uses his wrestling he fought a stand up vet guy like Jorge he fought a burns submission grapple so while short we did get to see him fight various styles as champ. Him goin against Leon another top striker will be good to see. Someone who has faced him so has sum notes.

I think more so this is jus really showing how strong the ufc hype machine is in over hyping guys now to sell their ppvs

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

Usman got too many rematches for my liking but it doesn't help 170 is a bit of a clusterfukk

Khabib only really has being undefeated, his reign ended before it really had a chance to take off.

If Usman were to say retire right now. Would you consider his legacy greater than khabib's. He's 34. Undefeated in ufc, he beat t wood for the belt and defnedednit against colby, Jorge, burns, Jorge and colby again. He has 15 fights while in the ufc.

While khabib as champ beat al quinta connor dustin and gaethe. He has 13 total fights in the ufc.

I know recency bias is huge but when you really look at this on paper. Neither are greats to me. Rrnan barao best Faber and had 4 title defenses before he became washed. Imagine if he retired early too. Wld we consider jim a great.

 

[douche]

 

[Screwface Exchange]

Usman got too many rematches for my liking but it doesn't help 170 is a bit of a clusterfukk

Khabib only really has being undefeated, his reign ended before it really had a chance to take off.

Very true, lapping the field doing rematches when only been cpl recently. Like jeez.

And yes it now started to feel like the reign of khabib was starting when he left. Makes me appreciate an also more when was on top

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

 

[RARI_Godwind]

Finally looked up why Charles Oliveira is called “Do Bronx.” Put it into Google translate and it said “Of The Bronx” I’m like he from the fukkin Bronx this whole time!? Then I Google it forreal this time and articles say it means “Of The Favela.”

It was one of my favorite moments when he won the title and said “Favela, it’s ours.” turns out he was repping this whole time. Gotta respect it.


At Bronx meaning Favela. That’s fukked up. Gotta do further research on why that is.

 

[Screwface Exchange]

Finally looked up why Charles Oliveira is called “Do Bronx.” Put it into Google translate and it said “Of The Bronx” I’m like he from the fukkin Bronx this whole time!? Then I Google it forreal this time and articles say it means “Of The Favela.”

It was one of my favorite moments when he won the title and said “Favela, it’s ours.” turns out he was repping this whole time. Gotta respect it.


At Bronx meaning Favela. That’s fukked up. Gotta do further research on why that is.

Bro he took da ufc cameras to his home in da favela back in da days


Then when he won da belt he brought it back 2 da hood. And he always gives out food and supplies to da hood

 

[RARI_Godwind]

Bro he took da ufc cameras to his home in da favela back in da days


Then when he won da belt he brought it back 2 da hood. And he always gives out food and supplies to da hood

Haven’t seen this in years! He still lives there. Says he’s not rich but he can get nicer things now. Hope he gettin a million dollar pay day. Good dood. Made no excuses. Took the long way and still made it.

 

[profound]

Pena talks a good game and looks ready to fight but I still can’t see it going very far.

I’m hoping more money on Dustin comes in because that Charles line is tanking.

I see it as a 50/50 fight so I’m siding with the underdog champ.

The numbers these guys have after all that time put in are ridiculous, this is the perfect fight.