Essential The Official MMA Thread

[Soundbwoy]

even the cormier/jonhson fight has me like, again

 

[trick]

even the cormier/jonhson fight has me like, again

That one I can understand. There's no other contenders at 205. What else could they have done, book Gus/Cormier again? Resign Ryan Bader and put his boring ass in the main event?

 

[Kenny West]

question here from a boxing fan

Whenever I watch an MMA fight I usually see a fighter tries/does this shyt

now the question is how is a kick as long and circumstantial can be pulled off by all these dudes without being countered very hard. I mean it's a long an not particularly fast move where you at a point will turn your back to your opponent plus you're standing on one leg the whole time so you're imbalanced. A duck under the leg then left hook combo or a simple strong leg kick could neutralize the move presented in the gif. Why they don't pull the trigger then?

To a lesser extent the same question occurs when I see flying knees and spectacular head kicks. They are all should be pretty easy to counter if someone doesn't get scared of the moves themselves.

So am I right or I'm missing something and if I'm right why I see only rarely if anytime... that a fighter counters a spinning kick?

Dudes rarely even attempt kicks like this none the less land them. You'd be lucky to have one or 2 fighters per card that will pull out one of these and they mostly whiff. It takes years of practice to be able to land unorthodox kicks like those, most people can't even preform them so people don't practice defending against them like that. People practice years just to hit counters off jabs and straights lol, who

But honestly your supposition is kinda bullshyt. If you got in a streetfight with a random dude and he pulled a kick like this out, you'd be able to read his movement & gauge the distance perfectly to slip and counter the first time he shows it to you? Don't be on some coli nikka shyt bro, you don't defend kicks with slip n rip . You'd still be too far away to counter ( from experience) and if the kicker reads you ducking they just have to aim a little lower like a body kick to hit you flush. and it's way easier to kick a lower target than a higher one.

The kick in the gif only worked cause 1. Rockhold was too close to the fence to dodge with a backstep 2. He never saw it coming, looked like he was anticipating a right cross 3. Rockhold is southpaw and the kick came from his blindspot. 4. He didn't use a kick from that angle the entire fight before that moment. Basically it was set up and timed perfectly. Most ufc fighters don't even set up their punches well so yeah, these kicks are rare and very hard to land

 

[reservoirdogs]

Dudes rarely even attempt kicks like this none the less land them. You'd be lucky to have one or 2 fighters per card that will pull out one of these and they mostly whiff. It takes years of practice to be able to land unorthodox kicks like those, most people can't even preform them so people don't practice defending against them like that. People practice years just to hit counters off jabs and straights lol, who

Idk, when I randomly stumble across some MMA fights I often see dudes try it, in kick boxing too.
it is true that it's hard to master and that's why I was surprised that I've usually seen these dudes try it

But honestly your supposition is kinda bullshyt. If you got in a streetfight with a random dude and he pulled a kick like this out, you'd be able to read his movement & gauge the distance perfectly to slip and counter the first time he shows it to you? Don't be on some coli nikka shyt bro, you don't defend kicks with slip n rip .

But now we don't talk abut a random ass street fight between 2 untrained dudes but a competition between professional top athletes who breath ad eat this shyt. The shorter, tighter and quicker a movement is the less counterable it is. Head kicks and spinning kicks are some of the slowest strikes even is someone masters it. Mastered punches and leg kicks etc... will be still faster. If fighters are able to slip under faster punches they should be able to slip under slower kicks too.

You'd still be too far away to counter ( from experience) and if the kicker reads you ducking they just have to aim a little lower like a body kick to hit you flush. and it's way easier to kick a lower target than a higher one.

Now I can give that to you, bigger kicks are slower but also harder to read and they have a longer reach thus they can still be difficult to counter.

The kick in the gif only worked cause 1. Rockhold was too close to the fence to dodge with a backstep 2. He never saw it coming, looked like he was anticipating a right cross 3. Rockhold is southpaw and the kick came from his blindspot. 4. He didn't use a kick from that angle the entire fight before that moment. Basically it was set up and timed perfectly. Most ufc fighters don't even set up their punches well so yeah, these kicks are rare and very hard to land

I get it, thanks for the insightful answer

 

[Black Gatsby]

Loool the cacs had (and tbh still do) their knives out for Woodley yesterday. If he hadn't beat Wonderboy up like he did in that final round you know how those racism comments would have been thrown in his face?

Fight wasn't great but there are a number of reasons for this but still hats off to both guys

 

[Kenny West]

Idk, when I randomly stumble across some MMA fights I often see dudes try it, in kick boxing too.
it is true that it's hard to master and that's why I was surprised that I've usually seen these dudes try it



But now we don't talk abut a random ass street fight between 2 untrained dudes but a competition between professional top athletes who breath ad eat this shyt. The shorter, tighter and quicker a movement is the less counterable it is. Head kicks and spinning kicks are some of the slowest strikes even is someone masters it. Mastered punches and leg kicks etc... will be still faster. If fighters are able to slip under faster punches they should be able to slip under slower kicks too.



Now I can give that to you, bigger kicks are slower but also harder to read and they have a longer reach thus they can still be difficult to counter.



I get it, thanks for the insightful answer

Np.

As for the bold, kick range is like right outside jab range so even when someone reads the kick well enough to duck they'd still be too far to punch. If you've got it read that well you can step inside and interrupt them during their windup. That's how Conor Mcgregor KO'd porier, punched him in the back of the head as porier was doing a spinning backfist most folks would just try and catch the kick and take them down tho.


Still catching kicks requires training and people train to catch the kicks they will usually see (muay thai round kicks). You're not gonna be training how to defend TKD kicks unless your doing TKD. It's all about styles. When somebody starts throwing weird shyt the safest thing to do is just cover up

I remember the first time some random dude hit me hit me with question mark kick lol my reaction

 

[BlackSuperman]

I like Wonderboy himself but I'm glad he lost because he seems to have a lot of alt-right fanboys. Fukk them

 

[BlackSuperman]

Would Ferguson even accept another fight? This is the third time it's been cancelled and the second time Khabib has pulled out. Only way I see it is if the Connor stalemate goes on too long. Khabib might have to move up. Dude walks around at 200 that's way too heavy for 155

I hope he demands pay whether Khabib shows up or not. I wouldn't be mad at Ferguson. On the UFC's end, they need a replacement. Like, fukk it, get two 155 contenders in the fight under them on the same card and have either be able to replace Ferg or Nurmy.

 

[BlackSuperman]

that main event tho

The last 15 seconds made up for it me personally

 

[LinusCaldwell]

Mark Hunt didn't break his thibia

 

[Konnan]

We need our savior Nick Diaz to come salvage UFC

shyts turning into Carny shenanigans

 

[The Infamous]

Albert Tumenov has signed with ACB. The list of solid fighters the UFC is letting go nowadays is alarming.

 

[aceboon]

Albert Tuemenov has signed with ACB. The list of solid fighters the UFC is letting go nowadays is alarming.

Welterweight ain't looking too hot these days, I know he had back to back losses but dude still has a lot of potential if he can shore up his ground game. With myself being more of a boxing head he was one of my favorites to watch, his MMA boxing(especially his body work) is top notch.

 

[trick]

Albert Tumenov has signed with ACB. The list of solid fighters the UFC is letting go nowadays is alarming.

Lorenz Larkin said he's at the ACB show next Saturday too. Nobody from his team is on that card either. He might've signed with them.

 

[The axe murderer]

Lorenz larkin and tumenov two solid fighters whohad a solid fight together and now both gone