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UNDER THE fukkING LIGHTS VS THOSE SPARTAN fakkitS
TIME TO BURY EM PISS ON THEY GRAVES
TIME TO BURY EM PISS ON THEY GRAVES
The OFFICIAL MICHIGAN FOOTBALL TEAM 138 THREAD: THE TEAM! THE TEAM! THE TEAM!
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shades of the gawd, tate forcierO'Gawd id a magician out there
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Great win and our defense is looking every bit as good as it was last year. Harbaugh is a stubborn mf, this situation could play out similar to the Kap and Smith one.
The right side of the O-line is going to get somebody killed. The current starters cannot be our 5 best lineman, I refuse to believe that. I don't know give Ruiz and Runyan a shot at Guard and move Bredeson to RT for the rest of the year.
O'Korn is a gunslinger so while he'll likely make more plays than Speight based on sheer willingness to take risks, it also will mean TOs. Now Speight himself has been TO prone despite being the more cautious QB, so the normal trade-off isn't even a factor here. O'Korn's ability to move around in the pocket is going to be key since our O-line is shytty and our RBs cannot block. Hopefully reps clean up most of his errors.
Regardless of Sparty's record Dantonio should have them ready to play so it will be a good test for O'Korn.
Oh and Devin Bush is that dude.
The right side of the O-line is going to get somebody killed. The current starters cannot be our 5 best lineman, I refuse to believe that. I don't know give Ruiz and Runyan a shot at Guard and move Bredeson to RT for the rest of the year.
O'Korn is a gunslinger so while he'll likely make more plays than Speight based on sheer willingness to take risks, it also will mean TOs. Now Speight himself has been TO prone despite being the more cautious QB, so the normal trade-off isn't even a factor here. O'Korn's ability to move around in the pocket is going to be key since our O-line is shytty and our RBs cannot block. Hopefully reps clean up most of his errors.
Regardless of Sparty's record Dantonio should have them ready to play so it will be a good test for O'Korn.
Oh and Devin Bush is that dude.
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Runyan started rotating in the 2nd quarter for Mike the line actually looked better when he came in but Ulizio still isGreat win and our defense is looking every bit as good as it was last year. Harbaugh is a stubborn mf, this situation could play out similar to the Kap and Smith one.
The right side of the O-line is going to get somebody killed. The current starters cannot be our 5 best lineman, I refuse to believe that. I don't know give Ruiz and Runyan a shot at Guard and move Bredeson to RT for the rest of the year.
O'Korn is a gunslinger so while he'll likely make more plays than Speight based on sheer willingness to take risks, it also will mean TOs. Now Speight himself has been TO prone despite being the more cautious QB, so the normal trade-off isn't even a factor here. O'Korn's ability to move around in the pocket is going to be key since our O-line is shytty and our RBs cannot block. Hopefully reps clean up most of his errors.
Regardless of Sparty's record Dantonio should have them ready to play so it will be a good test for O'Korn.
Oh and Devin Bush is that dude.
.Cole&Issac damn near got Speight killed.IDK if Kulger isn't making the proper line calls or what but Drevino&Harbaugh need to have Don Brown empty the blitz packages on the O-line this week so they can learn to block twists&stunts.RB's need to do nothing but block drills all week sit in the film room with the o-line that shyt vs Purdue was unacceptable
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Bush Jr
Lmao if only we were all as good as QBFORCEshades of the gawd, tate forcier
Matt Gutierrez is somewhere smiling from above.
Their effort on the block was abhorrent. And honestly that's coaching...they can't be THAT overmatched physically, fukkin Mike Hart was picking up blitzes...it's effort or coaching.Runyan started rotating in the 2nd quarter for Mike the line actually looked better when he came in but Ulizio still is
NigerianDonDada
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Mel Kiper: Devin Bush, LB, Michigan
The Michigan defense has a first-round talent up front in Maurice Hurst, but it's Bush who makes it go. He lines up all over the field and makes a ton of plays. The sophomore plays hard and hits hard. I scouted his dad, Devin Bush Sr., a first-round pick out of Florida State in 1995. He had a 41-inch vertical! His son is only a first-year starter, but look out -- he's fantastic.
The Michigan defense has a first-round talent up front in Maurice Hurst, but it's Bush who makes it go. He lines up all over the field and makes a ton of plays. The sophomore plays hard and hits hard. I scouted his dad, Devin Bush Sr., a first-round pick out of Florida State in 1995. He had a 41-inch vertical! His son is only a first-year starter, but look out -- he's fantastic.
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I spoke to a few folks close to the program over the weekend about just how crazy it is that John O'Korn looked that good on Saturday and Wilton Speight hadn't for three games (if we're being honest) and yet it was still Speight's job.
This of course, all goes back to last fall when Speight won the job. He showed a composure and ability to make something happen in high-stress situations, whether under duress in the pocket, bouncing back from a turnover or bad series, or making a play late when it mattered (think Wisconsin). We all saw it. We were all impressed with his presence in the pocket and ability to shed defenders and make throws outside the pocket. That's what the coaches saw in practices last year too. Plus, Speight knew the playbook better than anyone and could coach up guys in the huddle and on the sideline. He didn't have the best arm but he had the best "everything else" is how one of my sources put it, and it wasn't even close.
Speight gets injured. O'Korn goes in. There was some talk that O'Korn might be a player that turns it on when it matters, but no one saw that from him against Indiana. 7 of 16, 59 yards. He was 2 for 5 on third down throws in the first half, and took a sack, failing to convert a single one. He had the 30-yard run in the third quarter and he did move the chains on one of his two second-half third-down throws, but folks hoping it would all click for him were disappointed by the performance. Thus, there was a greater onus and hope Speight could be back for Ohio State. In fact, it should tell you everything you need to know about where their confidence was in QBs that they would rather play Speight, knowing he couldn't throw more than 15 yards, than O'Korn.
That was probably it for O'Korn. His window had closed. Michigan was gearing up for Brandon Peters to challenge, if anyone would, to start, but as you've read here over and over again, the timidness in the huddle, on the sideline, in meetings and on the practice field left the coaches without any real confidence that Peters was a viable option for 2017 (but hopefully down the road as he continues to mature physically, mentally and emotionally).
That left Speight and O'Korn, and there weren't any strong data points indicating it should be O'Korn's job. He wasn't the better player in spring ball (Speight had a crummy spring game but the coaches set Peters up for success with personnel, play-calling and defensive calls) or in practices, or in actual games. Still, there was some mild chatter about Speight's performance that was eventually dismissed as rust from having missed time with offseason surgery and just an anomaly.
This August, in every practice and, especially in scrimmages, Speight was the best QB. He was a leader. His teammates loved him. He was connecting with the youngsters downfield. He had taken seemingly every criticism about him and turned it into a positive. The staff was giddy about what they expected to get from their second-year starter. They knew they had something special defensively and really liked Quinn Nordin. They didn't know if they could grind out drives but they felt like with all their weapons and a QB that was on the money with downfield throws, they could score with a lot of chunk plays.
Florida game, there were signs all was going to happen. Speight had two deep bombs, one for a score to Tarik Black and one to TE Nick Eubanks. He made some plays where things broke down. He had the two pick-sixes but he bounced back from that with resolve in the second half. He had that really poor overthrow of Kekoa Crawford but the coaches were confident he had the mental makeup to get over it. They did get O'Korn a series hoping the lights would come on and he would play well (as this thought continued to permeate some of the coaching staff) but besides the one nice throw to Black, no one saw enough to be convinced. It was still Speight's job.
Something had changed, though. The second pick-six maybe. The momentary benching maybe. But the scuttlebutt that I've heard is the overthrow of Crawford really got in his head. Not because he felt it from the fans but because he felt he let his team down and that he started questioning himself a little bit as the guy that would make the big plays. Week 2 against Cincinnati, he had the early TD throw down the field, but clearly something was off. He held onto the ball longer. He overthrew open receivers. He had the two fumbles. He was making big mistakes and little mistakes. Still, in film room, he would diagnose and acknowledge something before the coaches even pointed it out. He was thinking the game two or three steps ahead of his teammates and was right there with his coaches. All indications were, he just had a bad game. Was in his head too much and would be fine vs. Air Force.
But everything wasn't fine. He was still in his head. Still looking off the best option, often the tight ends or the crossing routes in the middle of the field. He wasn't comfortable in or outside the pocket. He was so worried about leading receivers too much that he started throwing short. Something was broken, and yet still, there was such little evidence from O'Korn that he would blossom that the staff decided to stick it out with Speight ... keep rallying behind him, deflecting all talk to the press that there was an issue, provide him with confidence knowing that everyone goes through slumps, and their best chance for success rides not on anther QB stepping up, but on Speight breaking out of it.
I asked one of my friends how many coaches in Schembechler Hall would raise their hand if they were asked who had the utmost confidence O'Korn could go in the game and make all the plays, big and small, necessary to win that game against Purdue. He said, if they were honest, no one. He said there was confidence he could run the offense, and avoid big mistakes but that Michigan would have to win with defense, special teams, some big plays, and the running game.
But then, revelation. For the first time since he's been at Michigan, O'Korn played with the moxie and confidence of his first year at Houston, each big play allowing more and more of his natural talent to bubble to the surface.
So how does this play out going forward? My sources aren't sure. Both think O'Korn will start vs. State, but if Speight is healthy, they think he could get a series or two like O'Korn did against Florida to "see if Speight is a different QB after this. The guy we watched play last year." And Michigan could likely get away with that without costing themselves the game because of how well the defense is playing.
As one of my friends said, "Jim Harbaugh doesn't care how it will look or what the media will say. If he thinks Speight is the best option, he'll go with him." But the feeling in the building seems to be that it's O'Korn's job for now, and stays that way unless he loses it in a game with a wretched importance. As one of them noted, "the decision going forward won't be made based on who plays the best in practice. It's about Saturdays, and everyone knows that."
Straight from Michael Spath
This of course, all goes back to last fall when Speight won the job. He showed a composure and ability to make something happen in high-stress situations, whether under duress in the pocket, bouncing back from a turnover or bad series, or making a play late when it mattered (think Wisconsin). We all saw it. We were all impressed with his presence in the pocket and ability to shed defenders and make throws outside the pocket. That's what the coaches saw in practices last year too. Plus, Speight knew the playbook better than anyone and could coach up guys in the huddle and on the sideline. He didn't have the best arm but he had the best "everything else" is how one of my sources put it, and it wasn't even close.
Speight gets injured. O'Korn goes in. There was some talk that O'Korn might be a player that turns it on when it matters, but no one saw that from him against Indiana. 7 of 16, 59 yards. He was 2 for 5 on third down throws in the first half, and took a sack, failing to convert a single one. He had the 30-yard run in the third quarter and he did move the chains on one of his two second-half third-down throws, but folks hoping it would all click for him were disappointed by the performance. Thus, there was a greater onus and hope Speight could be back for Ohio State. In fact, it should tell you everything you need to know about where their confidence was in QBs that they would rather play Speight, knowing he couldn't throw more than 15 yards, than O'Korn.
That was probably it for O'Korn. His window had closed. Michigan was gearing up for Brandon Peters to challenge, if anyone would, to start, but as you've read here over and over again, the timidness in the huddle, on the sideline, in meetings and on the practice field left the coaches without any real confidence that Peters was a viable option for 2017 (but hopefully down the road as he continues to mature physically, mentally and emotionally).
That left Speight and O'Korn, and there weren't any strong data points indicating it should be O'Korn's job. He wasn't the better player in spring ball (Speight had a crummy spring game but the coaches set Peters up for success with personnel, play-calling and defensive calls) or in practices, or in actual games. Still, there was some mild chatter about Speight's performance that was eventually dismissed as rust from having missed time with offseason surgery and just an anomaly.
This August, in every practice and, especially in scrimmages, Speight was the best QB. He was a leader. His teammates loved him. He was connecting with the youngsters downfield. He had taken seemingly every criticism about him and turned it into a positive. The staff was giddy about what they expected to get from their second-year starter. They knew they had something special defensively and really liked Quinn Nordin. They didn't know if they could grind out drives but they felt like with all their weapons and a QB that was on the money with downfield throws, they could score with a lot of chunk plays.
Florida game, there were signs all was going to happen. Speight had two deep bombs, one for a score to Tarik Black and one to TE Nick Eubanks. He made some plays where things broke down. He had the two pick-sixes but he bounced back from that with resolve in the second half. He had that really poor overthrow of Kekoa Crawford but the coaches were confident he had the mental makeup to get over it. They did get O'Korn a series hoping the lights would come on and he would play well (as this thought continued to permeate some of the coaching staff) but besides the one nice throw to Black, no one saw enough to be convinced. It was still Speight's job.
Something had changed, though. The second pick-six maybe. The momentary benching maybe. But the scuttlebutt that I've heard is the overthrow of Crawford really got in his head. Not because he felt it from the fans but because he felt he let his team down and that he started questioning himself a little bit as the guy that would make the big plays. Week 2 against Cincinnati, he had the early TD throw down the field, but clearly something was off. He held onto the ball longer. He overthrew open receivers. He had the two fumbles. He was making big mistakes and little mistakes. Still, in film room, he would diagnose and acknowledge something before the coaches even pointed it out. He was thinking the game two or three steps ahead of his teammates and was right there with his coaches. All indications were, he just had a bad game. Was in his head too much and would be fine vs. Air Force.
But everything wasn't fine. He was still in his head. Still looking off the best option, often the tight ends or the crossing routes in the middle of the field. He wasn't comfortable in or outside the pocket. He was so worried about leading receivers too much that he started throwing short. Something was broken, and yet still, there was such little evidence from O'Korn that he would blossom that the staff decided to stick it out with Speight ... keep rallying behind him, deflecting all talk to the press that there was an issue, provide him with confidence knowing that everyone goes through slumps, and their best chance for success rides not on anther QB stepping up, but on Speight breaking out of it.
I asked one of my friends how many coaches in Schembechler Hall would raise their hand if they were asked who had the utmost confidence O'Korn could go in the game and make all the plays, big and small, necessary to win that game against Purdue. He said, if they were honest, no one. He said there was confidence he could run the offense, and avoid big mistakes but that Michigan would have to win with defense, special teams, some big plays, and the running game.
But then, revelation. For the first time since he's been at Michigan, O'Korn played with the moxie and confidence of his first year at Houston, each big play allowing more and more of his natural talent to bubble to the surface.
So how does this play out going forward? My sources aren't sure. Both think O'Korn will start vs. State, but if Speight is healthy, they think he could get a series or two like O'Korn did against Florida to "see if Speight is a different QB after this. The guy we watched play last year." And Michigan could likely get away with that without costing themselves the game because of how well the defense is playing.
As one of my friends said, "Jim Harbaugh doesn't care how it will look or what the media will say. If he thinks Speight is the best option, he'll go with him." But the feeling in the building seems to be that it's O'Korn's job for now, and stays that way unless he loses it in a game with a wretched importance. As one of them noted, "the decision going forward won't be made based on who plays the best in practice. It's about Saturdays, and everyone knows that."
Straight from Michael Spath
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I don't know if I'd go that far.
Hell I won't even say he isn't a power 5 QB, I think he'd have a nice career at a non-football school like Indiana and Virginia. He'd be great at group 5 schools like Cincinnati and SDSU also. If Shane Morris can look decent at Central, then Speight would be fine there too. Last year pre-injury he did everything right before he threw the ball. I think the injury and the coaching change has effected him more than we realize.
Hopefully he can recover, because he'd be a good backup to have. This line + O'Korn's recklessness/gutsiness is a recipe for injury, although the coaches will probably rein him in a bit.
Right now OKorn is a threat to scramble and that alone makes him a better pick w/ this OL
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No put Ulizio on the bench
