There's only so many Thailand lady boys and cocaine you can buy before you get bored and start throwing money at everything when you're rich
..well whats my money then? 
The Official Manny "Pac Man" Pacquiao vs Jessie Vargas thread..[11/5]
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..well whats my money then? 
There's only so many Thailand lady boys and cocaine you can buy before you get bored and start throwing money at everything when you're rich
Black_Jesus
Superstar
keep your dikk in the booty posts out my thread you heathen
im actually really interested in this fight..more than any other on this card...i still can't shake seeing donaire go life and death with the mexican journeyman last year
How Much is Left of Nonito Donaire?
By Cliff Rold
Even after a month where boxing might as well have been on hiatus, enthusiasm for this weekend’s return of modern legend Manny Pacquiao is muted. Maybe it’s the 60-some dollar price tag. Maybe it’s the opponent.
Maybe it’s just that, after fifteen years as a fixture in the US market, some fans have moved on from Pacquiao against a perceptually ordinary opponent like Jessie Vargas. At Pacquiao’s age, 37, one never knows when he’ll run into the sort of younger guy he never would have lost to in his prime that he can’t get by anymore.
That’s not much of a selling point.
That doesn’t mean hardcore fight fans won’t tune in. It’s still Pacquiao against a contemporary top ten welterweight and it will probably be entertaining. However, on a card that will rely on hardcore interest to succeed, the rest of the card might matter more than usual.
There is some interest in the undercard, particularly in the co-feature.
Pacquiao isn’t the only man on the card whose name is now as much a reminder of what was as what is.
Nonito Donaire, the former four-division titlist, is looking to make it five straight since a featherweight knockout loss to Nicholas Walters and move back to the Jr. featherweight division. If it feels hard to believe it’s been more than fifteen years since Manny Pacquiao-Lehlo Ledwaba, it feels just as hard to believe it’s been almost a decade since Donaire knocked out Vic Darchinyan for the first time.
More so than Pacquiao-Vargas, Donaire’s battle this weekend feels like a fight where an aging fighter might cross the bridge to old man. Donaire is only 33 but those years are piling on quickly. For a one-time flyweight titlist, it’s around the age where lighter weight fighters get old quickly if they aren’t there already.
24-year old Jessie Magdaleno (23-0, 17 KO) is live this weekend. He might be more than that. Some of that could depend on the decline of Donaire.
The decline of Donaire is still a debatable point.
It would be easy to point to Donaire’s 2013 loss to Guillermo Rigondeaux as a turning point. Whether that turning point was also evidence of decline is where debate can ensue.
Rigondeuax is one of the craftiest fighters in boxing and proved it that night. He beat Donaire in the one area where Donaire always seemed to lack in comparison to his physical talent: ring IQ. He’d had his share of nights where he’d shown that before, where a lack of Plan B meant less than stellar outings even in lopsided wins.
Rigondeuax wasn’t just better than night. He was smarter. Donaire’s career struggle to make adjustments in the ring was in abundance. Against the Cuban maestro, that was checkmate.
Losing to Rigondeuax can’t be taken as a sign of anything other than losing to a superior fighter.
What has come since leaves more room to wonder. Donaire was behind on the cards when his power bailed him out in the Darchinyan rematch. That was a bad night even in victory. However, he came right back and looked sensational early against a solid veteran Simpiwe Vetyeka before winning on the cards due after an accidental clash of heads.
So then the Walters loss was a sign of decline then, right? Not necessarily. Donaire lost an exciting clash to man whose ability to pack on pounds due to the day before weigh-ins that warp boxing’s weight classes had to give Donaire an idea of what it was like for smaller men to face him at 112 and 115 lbs.
In the four fights since, Donaire has posted three typical for him knockouts. The one time he didn’t is the fight that logs in the column for those who see a fading star. Rugged Cesar Juarez came off the floor and gave Donaire a war; it was arguably the most exciting slugfest of Donaire’s career. Donaire claimed an injury hampered him. So too did a Juarez who fought like his life depended on it.
So now we have Magdaleno and its fascinating stuff. The younger brother of former title challenger Diego Magdaleno, he has some fighting chops and has been brought along as part of the Top Rank machine. The company still does as good a job as anyone of grooming new talent to replace old, matching them smartly and pulling the trigger at the right time.
It doesn’t always work. Nothing ever always works. Magdaleno has never seen anyone in Donaire’s league, even at 33. What we’re seeing though this weekend is the formula at play. If Donaire wins, that will be fine and he can take a positive step back towards higher profile outings. If he does not, Top Rank has a red-hot fresh face.
This might be the fight worth tuning in for.
Winner of that Donaire/Magdaleno fight should be fight Valdez next
that fight is at 122 with donaire's belt on the line..i dont think neither of them will give up their belt just to go fight valdez
Oh well :ifdup: thought they would be fighting at '26 or word on the curb was Donaire was thinking about fighting Valdez
Oh well :ifdup: thought they would be fighting at '26 or word on the curb was Donaire was thinking about fighting Valdez
i wouldnt put it past him..the guy fought rigo and axe man....its his MO to fight that type of competition
krackdagawd
Inspire.
thread reminded me this was even happening 
Young Valdez on the UC breh, same with Donaire, worth a stream at leastthread reminded me this was even happening
krackdagawd
Inspire.
Amare's Right Hook
Southeast World Champion
FIGHTLAND picking Vargas because of Manny's politics. Jesus Christ
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Dan Rafael chat wrap 11/4:
Pacquiao vs. Vargas:
- Not much buzz in Vegas for Pacquiao vs. Vargas. Media presence is less than usual, seems a lot of people don't realize Manny is fighting.
- PPV prediction for Pacquiao vs. Vargas? In the 200k's.
- Pacquiao gets a percentage of the PPV's, but he also has a guarantee of $4 million.
- If Vargas were to win tomorrow, could definitely see a Vargas vs. Crawford fight.
- Roach says he could see Pacquiao vs. Canelo, thoughts? Bad night for Manny.
- Believes both favorites (Pacquiao and Donaire win), but thinks Donaire has the more likely chance to be upset.
- If Donaire wins tomorrow, would strongly consider him for the HOF.
- Who would Pacquiao fight next if he wins? Floyd rematch talk will certainly occur (as rumors), Crawford, or potentially a Haymon fighter.
- Shiming brings in Asian media to the Pacquiao fight. He was a fighter Steve Wynn wanted on the card as he brings in Asian gamblers.
- Supposedly ticket sales are very good.
- Arum loves the idea of a Pacquiao vs. Lomachenko fight. He said maybe at 138. Personally doubts Pacquiao would drop down that far. The fights isn't impossible, but wouldn't believe it until we saw it.
- Better storyteller: Arum or Don King? Arum by far.
- Thoughts on Steven A. Smith calling the fight? He knows about boxing, is polarizing, may be right to be concerned on the undercard fights, at the end of the day will be entertaining.
- Broner wanted a guarantee of $6 million, while Pacquiao's guarantee is $4 million. One of the problems in boxing right now.
- Donaire is making $400k and Magdaleno $90k.
- Arum and Donaire have wanted to be on a Pacquiao card previously, but Koncz vetoed the idea. Koncz thought Donaire brought no extra money (attracting the same Filipino fans as Manny) and would have cost a lot to put on the card, taking money out of Pacquiao's pocket. Donaire believes Koncz doesn't like him due to not signing with him and remaining loyal to Cameron Dunkin.
- Shiming's opponent looks like Manny and everyone there calls him mini-Manny. Expects Shiming to win.
- Thought the ref should have stopped the fights in Manny vs. Margarito and Algieri.
- People who he usually sits next to on PPV's are Iole from Yahoo, Dahlberg from AP, and a local writer from whatever city.
- A journalists seat placement is usually determined by readership numbers.
Pacquiao vs. Vargas:
- Not much buzz in Vegas for Pacquiao vs. Vargas. Media presence is less than usual, seems a lot of people don't realize Manny is fighting.
- PPV prediction for Pacquiao vs. Vargas? In the 200k's.
- Pacquiao gets a percentage of the PPV's, but he also has a guarantee of $4 million.
- If Vargas were to win tomorrow, could definitely see a Vargas vs. Crawford fight.
- Roach says he could see Pacquiao vs. Canelo, thoughts? Bad night for Manny.
- Believes both favorites (Pacquiao and Donaire win), but thinks Donaire has the more likely chance to be upset.
- If Donaire wins tomorrow, would strongly consider him for the HOF.
- Who would Pacquiao fight next if he wins? Floyd rematch talk will certainly occur (as rumors), Crawford, or potentially a Haymon fighter.
- Shiming brings in Asian media to the Pacquiao fight. He was a fighter Steve Wynn wanted on the card as he brings in Asian gamblers.
- Supposedly ticket sales are very good.
- Arum loves the idea of a Pacquiao vs. Lomachenko fight. He said maybe at 138. Personally doubts Pacquiao would drop down that far. The fights isn't impossible, but wouldn't believe it until we saw it.
- Better storyteller: Arum or Don King? Arum by far.
- Thoughts on Steven A. Smith calling the fight? He knows about boxing, is polarizing, may be right to be concerned on the undercard fights, at the end of the day will be entertaining.
- Broner wanted a guarantee of $6 million, while Pacquiao's guarantee is $4 million. One of the problems in boxing right now.
- Donaire is making $400k and Magdaleno $90k.
- Arum and Donaire have wanted to be on a Pacquiao card previously, but Koncz vetoed the idea. Koncz thought Donaire brought no extra money (attracting the same Filipino fans as Manny) and would have cost a lot to put on the card, taking money out of Pacquiao's pocket. Donaire believes Koncz doesn't like him due to not signing with him and remaining loyal to Cameron Dunkin.
- Shiming's opponent looks like Manny and everyone there calls him mini-Manny. Expects Shiming to win.
- Thought the ref should have stopped the fights in Manny vs. Margarito and Algieri.
- People who he usually sits next to on PPV's are Iole from Yahoo, Dahlberg from AP, and a local writer from whatever city.
- A journalists seat placement is usually determined by readership numbers.
@ Vargas getting $2.5MM for this. Is Arum gonna lose bread on this event overall?