So i finished the political segment. I want to preface this by saying I'm a Canadian. I thought it was gonna tight but that Kamala was gonna win. I also think Trump is a madman and dangerous.
I might be contrarian but i sorta understand what joe and ish were saying (although I disagree that sitting with them would have moved the needle). I think what joe and ish were clumsily trying to say is that the Trump campaign (not Trump himself) was more connected to "regular people" and that's a big part of the reason why she lost. The example of trick trick was brought up to show that they did their homework in knowing who's considered an important figure street culture wise. I don't know how to explain it but i understand what they were saying. Even for his base, yes he did rogan, but if you look carefully, before he did rogan he did, Lex Friedman, he did Schulz, he did fukking Theo Vonn. He sent his son for Ak. Etc. Even when he did Rogan, he stayed there for three hours. I tried watching it but to be honest, he was rambling a lot so i only watched about an hour. Yes he was lying, yes he was Trumping. But he didn't seem as unhinged. I could see some people watching it and saying "he doesn't look like the madman they paint him out to be". Meanwhile the narrative painted is that Kamala had all sorts of demands for Joe so he said fukk it. Like she wanted to control cause she was scared. She just seemed unreachable. It feels like they (the Trump campaign) have a pulse on internet culture. It feels like they sorta have a pulse on street culture and what every day people are feeling. Kamala's campaign was too high.
I agree that Kamala is at a disadvantage because she's a black woman. But this is the highest job in the world. Literally trillions of dollars are at play. People are dying abroad, genocides are happening, billions of dollars are being sent overseas while people at home are dying homeless in the streets. People are hungry. Billion dollar deals are being made. With this much at stake, if you expect the other side to play fair and not use every single trick in the book including racism, sexism, bigotry, lies, misinformation, technology, etc, then you're too much of a sucker to win. She should have known and expected how hard it was gonna be before accepting the nomination. So again i get what they are saying with the "I don't want to hear that shyt about it being so hard because she's a black woman". The DNC's policies are overall better for the pockets of poor and middle class people. They just are very talented at losing elections. And instead of doing some self reflection, they are blaming the voters on why they lost calling them sexist (which is part of the reason but it goes way beyond that imo).
So yeah, i get what they were saying kinda. Marc was trying to make the case of why she was logically a better choice than Trump and he is right but he missed the whole point of why she lost (ironically he missed it because he was so emotional about the fact that he doesn't understand that people will vote on emotions, not logic).
Just my two cents.
Edit: I'll admit that saying all this after it's done is easy. Hindsight is 20/20. One thing I'll give her is that she did great in the debate. She had flashes of good moments in appearences. She seemed too much like she was trying to be the perfect candidate and again, i understand that as the first black woman the standards are unfairly higher. So it's a catch 22. It's a hard balance to reach (being able to speak off the cuff while still being perfect, while your opponent doesn't have to be perfect). Obama sorta had that balance. Ultimately, maybe she just wasn't the right candidate at that specific time...