The Official Joe Budden Podcast Thread

[CrimsonTider]

Where was Jay rapping about shooting on 4:44.

Cole went plat last year with an album with no shooting shyt. The "street" shyt you mention is him noting he once...fired a gun. Kendrick's album, which will be plat soon, has no shooting shyt. In fact he's gotten less street with each album. Tyler just went plat without any street shyt. You could have removed all the street shyt from Future's new album and he'd still be on the path to platinum. CLB doesn't have street shyt, Drake wise. Astroworld didn't have street shyt.

All those guys are selling more than most street rap you guys tell me is hot. And I got a feeling a lot of people are gonna be complaining about Baby's upcoming album because it's not gonna have shoot em up shyt either, and he continues to expand as an artist. Blaming this on "the market" doesn't pass my bs test, for 21 Savage.

Knife talk is a street record

Those guys came up in the blog era and make no sense to bring up about content in rap in 2022. Those guys built their fanbase in a different era

My point with Cole is that his subject matter is a lot different from even 5 years ago. It’s way more aggressive to fit in with what’s hot now.

Kendrick new music has no mainstream appeal.

There’s not one rapper that’s hot that doesn’t have street content

 

[Piff Perkins]

Knife talk is a street record

Those guys came up in the blog era and make no sense to bring up about content in rap in 2022. Those guys built their fanbase in a different era

My point with Cole is that his subject matter is a lot different from even 5 years ago. It’s way more aggressive to fit in with what’s hot now.

Kendrick new music has no mainstream appeal.

There’s not one rapper that’s hot that doesn’t have street content

That's one song, and it was originally on Savage Mode II before Drake bought it. That album still doing damn near 20k a week and the most streamed tracks aren't street at all.

What Cole tracks have come out recently that are more street or harder than Tale Of 2 Citiez or 03' Adolescence from FHD (2014)? The difference is Cole is getting on more mainstream/better production lately but his shyt isn't more street and I'm not even sure it's more aggressive either.

The fact that Kendrick is selling records and on a sold out arena tour without any real current mainstream appeal (Die Hard is being added a lot to radio rn tho) proves the point IMO. He started out more "street" than either Cole or Drake yet his popularity has risen as he's gotten less street. Hell people didn't like his new album in part because they were hoping for more of the pop rap stuff from DAMN.

 

[CrimsonTider]

That's one song, and it was originally on Savage Mode II before Drake bought it. That album still doing damn near 20k a week and the most streamed tracks aren't street at all.

What Cole tracks have come out recently that are more street or harder than Tale Of 2 Citiez or 03' Adolescence from FHD (2014)? The difference is Cole is getting on more mainstream/better production lately but his shyt isn't more street and I'm not even sure it's more aggressive either.

The fact that Kendrick is selling records and on a sold out arena tour without any real current mainstream appeal (Die Hard is being added a lot to radio rn tho) proves the point IMO. He started out more "street" than either Cole or Drake yet his popularity has risen as he's gotten less street. Hell people didn't like his new album in part because they were hoping for more of the pop rap stuff from DAMN.

My larger point is that those artist have no business being brought up in a topic about 21 savage making music that the market demands

All 3 are legacy artist

The pod bringing up those artist to refute 21 is making 21s point.

 

[Piff Perkins]

My larger point is that those artist have no business being brought up in a topic about 21 savage making music that the market demands

All 3 are legacy artist

The pod bringing up those artist to refute 21 is making 21s point.

How are any of them legacy artists? A legacy artist is...Nas. Where you have zero chance of radio play, your new records maybe do 30-50k first week, none of the new tracks really become staples of your live act, and you actively celebrate anniversaries of past album releases. Drake/Kendrick/Cole are actively making new music that matters, actively doing major tours, getting festival headlines, and most importantly still putting points on the board. You're a legacy act when your chapter is written and nothing you do afterwards really counts towards your score.

And you know I'm a Nas stan.

 

[CrimsonTider]

How are any of them legacy artists? A legacy artist is...Nas. Where you have zero chance of radio play, your new records maybe do 30-50k first week, none of the new tracks really become staples of your live act, and you actively celebrate anniversaries of past album releases. Drake/Kendrick/Cole are actively making new music that matters, actively doing major tours, getting festival headlines, and most importantly still putting points on the board. You're a legacy act when your chapter is written and nothing you do afterwards really counts towards your score.

And you know I'm a Nas stan.

They’re legacy artist because they built their fanbases a decade ago

Drake doesn’t even count because he’s in another stratosphere but Kendrick or Cole don’t have any hit records from their most recent projects. They have huge first week sales and then they’re albums fall off the charts because it’s all Stans that remain

They’re not from the same era as 21.

Labels have done everything to make Cordae (Cole clone) and JID(Kendrick clone) pop off and the mainstream and no one cares for them

 

[Piff Perkins]

They’re legacy artist because they built their fanbases a decade ago

Drake doesn’t even count because he’s in another stratosphere but Kendrick or Cole don’t have any hit records from their most recent projects. They have huge first week sales and then they’re albums fall off the charts because it’s all Stans that remain

They’re not from the same era as 21.

Labels have done everything to make Cordae (Cole clone) and JID(Kendrick clone) pop off and the mainstream and no one cares for them

Kendrick is still on the charts doing 20k a week, which is good. I would have expected him to be doing what Future is rn (25-30k a week) but still...clearly the album isn't doing poorly and will be plat soon. Ten years doesn't make you a legacy artist either, it solely depends on your relevance. Ten years from now when we discuss their placement, albums like Mr Morale/Off Season/Honestly Nevermind will count...for good or worse. Mostly worse. Whereas if you have an honest Jay vs Nas debate no one should be talking about 4:44 or King's Disease because nothing they did after 2013 really matters score wise when discussing their primes.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Kendrick is still on the charts doing 20k a week, which is good. I would have expected him to be doing what Future is rn (25-30k a week) but still...clearly the album isn't doing poorly and will be plat soon. Ten years doesn't make you a legacy artist either, it solely depends on your relevance. Ten years from now when we discuss their placement, albums like Mr Morale/Off Season/Honestly Nevermind will count...for good or worse. Mostly worse. Whereas if you have an honest Jay vs Nas debate no one should be talking about 4:44 or King's Disease because nothing they did after 2013 really matters score wise when discussing their primes.

Oh I disagree, this isn’t there era anymore.

This is the lil baby, Durk, 21, Gunna, Uzi era. They dictate what’s hot

 

[Piff Perkins]

Oh I disagree, this isn’t there era anymore.

This is the lil baby, Durk, 21, Gunna, Uzi era. They dictate what’s hot

I agree with that. It doesn't have to be your era for you to still be hot and relevant. It sure as hell wasn't Hov's era when BP3 came out and yet he had one of the biggest albums of the year.

BTW you list Baby, Durk, 21 (ehhh), Gunna, and Uzi. Is this not Travis' era too?

 

[CrimsonTider]

I agree with that. It doesn't have to be your era for you to still be hot and relevant. It sure as hell wasn't Hov's era when BP3 came out and yet he had one of the biggest albums of the year.

BTW you list Baby, Durk, 21 (ehhh), Gunna, and Uzi. Is this not Travis' era too?

Yeah Travis is a superstar but his career is weird. He only has 1 project that had any impact. I’m interested to see how his next album is received

Roddy Rich should be listed but that flop really hurt his standing

 

[threattonature]

Kendrick is still on the charts doing 20k a week, which is good. I would have expected him to be doing what Future is rn (25-30k a week) but still...clearly the album isn't doing poorly and will be plat soon. Ten years doesn't make you a legacy artist either, it solely depends on your relevance. Ten years from now when we discuss their placement, albums like Mr Morale/Off Season/Honestly Nevermind will count...for good or worse. Mostly worse. Whereas if you have an honest Jay vs Nas debate no one should be talking about 4:44 or King's Disease because nothing they did after 2013 really matters score wise when discussing their primes.

I agree with most of this but the end. I look at Jay/Nas like I look at Lebron. The legacies are cemented no matter what, all they can do is add to and enhance that legacy. To me Jay/Nas are the two GOATs in general but 4:44, Life Is Good, KD 1&2, and Magic just futher solidified their greatness and put them even further away from everybody else to still be able to produce such quality so far from their primes. So basically at this point IMO they can still add to their legacy but nothing they do can take away from it.

 

[ReasonableMatic]

Royce will go anywhere but the booth to respond to Lupe & Mickey Factz

 

[gho3st]

Yeah Travis is a superstar but his career is weird. He only has 1 project that had any impact. I’m interested to see how his next album is received

Roddy Rich should be listed but that flop really hurt his standing

Rodeo is what made travis pop

 

[HARLEM AL]

This nicca Joe a hr and 34 mins in and still tryna make straw arguments to play devil's advocate for this Irv shyt. Like Fat Joe and Ish said, it was some sucka shyt. That's it, fam. No more, no less. Nicca spent 2hrs gossiping about his exe from 20 years ago sex life etc like a bytch.

shyt is sickening

 

[CrimsonTider]

Rodeo is what made travis pop

I know that but Astroworld is what made him a superstar.

 

[Prince Akeem]

Reggie & Mid

Is that what the streets are calling Rory & Mal nowadays?

I was rooting for them but they are just plain boring without Joe.