The Official Joe Budden Podcast Thread
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Anyone check out the Amp show? I don’t know if I can take 2 hours of Joe by himself being a snob over moody r&b records. Wanted to see if it was decent or not
FluffyEyes
Mrs. Boss Lady
They touched on some interesting and true things regarding the Doja conversation but didn't necessarily go far enough(I didn't really expect them to, tbh). They didn't want to name the colorism that's inherent in the business and Pop music as a whole.
Doja is placed in R&B because she is Black adjacent. Artists like her, Lizzo and a few other hybrids take from many different genres and mix it up in a big ole' jambalaya of a sound so they are inherently not pure R&B or Pure Rap/Hip Hop. White institutions don't give a shyt about Black musical traditions (outside of making money) so they don't care to keep true to the genre categories(this also keeps Black and Black adjacent folks out of the pop categories so white artists can continue to dominate).
So in short: Doja's poppy music and looks allows them to uplift over fully Black women making purer R&B than her but keeps her underneath white pop girls like Olivia or Taylor.
Doja is placed in R&B because she is Black adjacent. Artists like her, Lizzo and a few other hybrids take from many different genres and mix it up in a big ole' jambalaya of a sound so they are inherently not pure R&B or Pure Rap/Hip Hop. White institutions don't give a shyt about Black musical traditions (outside of making money) so they don't care to keep true to the genre categories(this also keeps Black and Black adjacent folks out of the pop categories so white artists can continue to dominate).
So in short: Doja's poppy music and looks allows them to uplift over fully Black women making purer R&B than her but keeps her underneath white pop girls like Olivia or Taylor.
blockburna420
Consecutive thumbs up
R&M had a good take on this and pulled no punches
FluffyEyes
Mrs. Boss Lady
Oh okay, I'll check it out.
Hey, at least I commend Joe for not backing down from his delusional stance as some type of trailblazer who took podcasting to new levels.
Yes Joe, you are indeed a trailblazer…in the sense that you’ve written the book on how not to conduct business on several levels with multiple receipts. Your work has not gone unnoticed, and very few can do this better than you.
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At the end of the day awards are picked by people with egos and bias not an algorithm. Unless Summer drops an undeniable classic she's not going to be prioritized by the same people she has multiple social media rants dissing. Doja HAD to win awards this year but lost every time to Olivia Rodrigo, so they gave her all the RnB awards. People like to make the same lazy "racism" argument between Nicki and Cardi like Nicki is not notorious for treating people like shyt and Cardi is known for the opposite. If industry favorites like HER and Megan could actually sell albums they would win every award against white/light skin artists.
trailblazer...in what exactly?
Joe ruined the pod caping for Freddie Gibbs
Piff Perkins
Veteran
Dude is so scared of turning off white listeners and potential sponsors (lol) that they can't even discuss obvious race shyt. Yes black singers are jammed into the r&b genre in order to avoid polluting "white genres" like pop with blackness. Doja clearly makes pop music. But by placing her in r&b she can clean up those awards (to the detriment of black r&b artists) while Olivia Rodrigo or whoever else cleans up the pop awards. There's an obvious agenda at play.
EzekelRAGE
Superstar
Damn I can finally post again
