The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

[AquaCityBoy]

I couldn’t do that

Unsurprising.

Coli liberals seem to know everything the 'median voter' doesn't care about but nothing about what they actually do

 

[Outlaw]

Unsurprising.

Coli liberals seem to know everything the 'median voter' doesn't care about but nothing about what they actually do

If you know more about the median voter then why can’t your wing of the party win primaries?

 

[AquaCityBoy]

If you know more about the median voter then why can’t your wing of the party win primaries?

Because *your* wing gets massively financed by AIPAC

 

[Outlaw]

Because *your* wing gets massively financed by AIPAC

If your theory is correct AIPAC would fund the Republican nominee in the general too, how would your wing win then?

 

[AquaCityBoy]

If your theory is correct AIPAC would fund the Republican nominee in the general too

You're so close to getting it

 

[Outlaw]

You're so close to getting it

How would they win? Don’t ignore the most important part of the equation

 

[FAH1223]

 

[AquaCityBoy]

How would they win? Don’t ignore the most important part of the equation

In a perfect world, we'd get money out of politics so these PACs can't buy candidates to do their bidding.

Realistically, the ideal candidate will have made a name for themselves on the state and local level first, like Kelly Morrison in Minnesota, who was part of the Dem legislature that got all those bills passed with narrow majorities. Or the progressives who won on the local level in Tennessee in 2023.

If we're on the same side and more alike than different, as you claimed, then you don't need to be a far leftist. You just need to not be a corporate goon and actually deliver for your constituents. And if your opponent is a corporate goon, call them out and punch them in the mouth (metaphorically). It's not easy, but it's not impossible.

 

[wire28]

Unsurprising.

Coli liberals seem to know everything the 'median voter' doesn't care about but nothing about what they actually do

I know them. I’ll let you know as soon as you let us know who you voted for.

 

[King Kreole]

Are you debating that Kamala’s Presidency would not be materially different or better than Trump’s?

I believe that Kamala's Presidency would have been better than Trumps. Which is why I loudly advocated for her being elected over Trump. The position I'm arguing against is the brainless notion being pushed by @Mister Terrific that the election of Trump over Harris was an inflection point in America's journey as a white supremacist shythole and that under Kamala Harris, we wouldn't have "Women dying of septic shocks from fetal poisoning, Black folks getting lynched by cops, families being separated...eroding democratic confidence in our institutions, the pilfering of the national treasury (whatever the hell that means), oligarchical control over our media, the decrease of Black graduates in stem, millions dying from being unable to access medical care, and the enshrinement of white supremacy in our judicial system." These perspectives are pumped out by people who only started paying attention to politics when Donald Trump arrived on the scene, so their entire worldview is just oppositely polarized MAGA.

 

[King Kreole]

The median voters doesn’t care about none of that. Trump saying he’s going to be a dictator, sucking the mic like a dikk and holding a Nazi rally didn’t sway his voters, Kamala making marginal mistakes from the hypercritical leftist eye didn’t move the needle at all.

You guys need to realize you’re light years away from where the median voter is at. Liberals like me agree with you more than Trump obviously but the swayable 2024 Trump voter doesn’t like what yall are selling. Domestically Biden was the closest thing to a Bernie presidency that we could have realistically gotten and America rejected it

Let’s also not forget Kamala got more votes in Vermont than Bernie did

How are you going to admit that Kamala didn't appeal to "hypercritical leftists" in one breath and then say she lost because "swayable 2024 Trump voters" didn't like what the "hypercritical leftists" were selling? Kamala chose to not give the people the option of voting for universal healthcare, or climate justice, or an unrigged economy, or a humane approach to immigration.

Kamala didn't lose because she didn't take (x) specific leftist position on (x) specific issue. She lost because she ran the type of campaign that never even considered it.

 

[Outlaw]

How are you going to admit that Kamala didn't appeal to "hypercritical leftists" in one breath and then say she lost because "swayable 2024 Trump voters" didn't like what the "hypercritical leftists" were selling? Kamala chose to not give the people the option of voting for universal healthcare, or climate justice, or an unrigged economy, or a humane approach to immigration.

Kamala didn't lose because she didn't take (x) specific leftist position on (x) specific issue. She lost because she ran the type of campaign that never even considered it.

To be frank I think there is a good possibility that the election results was tampered with and she actually won.

If she actually lost it’s because the median voter who broke for Trump saw her as far left or “too liberal” and the “hypercritical leftists” who actually care about policy didn’t think she did enough to appeal to them.

She was stuck between a rock and a hard place, on one side the “vibes” was that she was too “left” to the median voter and to the lefties she was too moderate. By the way, I think she moderated her rhetoric because I assume she was getting internal polling that she was seen as too liberal.