Essential The Official Football (Soccer) Thread - We are SO back, the Premier League returns!

[Yayo Toure]

Liverpool fans with the shyts and will protest for anything and they not protesting like that.

Winning and being active in the transfer market helps a lot. Chelsea and City have owners who don’t go to games but they’re active. Fans just want to win.

If Arsenal were winning I don’t think there would be protest. Outside of being clueless in football, I don’t think the Kroenke’s are that bad, they’ve got 3 contenders on their books. They been screwed by Gazidis leaving, then hired 4 idiots. If they hired the right people it could work.

The Glazers are c*nts. Old Trafford looking like a NYCHA building. It’s disgraceful. Heard the training ground is bad too.

This is true. But if they can spend 100m on a player, they can do renovations. I think they are trying to hire a DOF now so when that person gets a budget they can sort that out.

But destroying the ground isn't going to get the club sold(it actually makes the investment less attractive) and just creates a further problem. Furthermore selling United is going to be real complicated, you'll need a person worth over 10 billion that is OK pissing away 5 billion just settling the debts, operating costs and losses due to covid. A person like that would rather by Newcaatle, much easier project to take over, even with FFP BS.

 

[TheOptimisticCynikal]

Protesting the owners by going to games and putting money in their pockets.

I've always been aware of the LUHG faction of United support, what happened yesterday was a step beyond that.
Imagine you are a Newcastle fan and you see these guys turn the place upside down. A billion spent, but those greedy b*stards didn't spend another 120m to get Sancho. So your team isn't as successful as it used to be, that's sports.

The Glazers are shytty owners but don't forget that they got ownership because your boy Sir Alex was beefing with the old owners over horse semen. Afterwards Sir Alex and all your legends endorsed these guys.

What's hilarious about all this is Neville and them on TV talking about what is fair. Was it fair when United kept gate receipts and killed revenues for smaller clubs? Was it fair when United and 5 other clubs started up the premier league and figured ways to keep most of the money? Was it fair when they started the Champions league and how they shared that revenue up?

Y'all should just say you want your team to win again and don't care about anything else, this protest isn't about empowering people.

The money that's been spent over the years has been from profits made by the club. The debt that these leeches put on the club has been paid from the same profits by the club due to success on the pitch. The difference between Glazers and the Sheikh for Manchester City is that they've invested over a billion while these sucks have drained over a billion. They should be commended for spending the clubs own money?

Not gonna argue too much on the Rock of Gibraltar stuff. That always seemed super shady tbh. But what did you want him to do at 70+ years old? Risk tearing down everything he's built over two decades getting into a war with owners that it could be argued he's somewhat responsible for being there? At that point he's just trying to keep a steady ship and hope for the best. Die a hero or live long enough to become the villain type of situation really.

 

[African_brehda]

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

This is true. But if they can spend 100m on a player, they can do renovations. I think they are trying to hire a DOF now so when that person gets a budget they can sort that out.

But destroying the ground isn't going to get the club sold(it actually makes the investment less attractive) and just creates a further problem. Furthermore selling United is going to be real complicated, you'll need a person worth over 10 billion that is OK pissing away 5 billion just settling the debts, operating costs and losses due to covid. A person like that would rather by Newcaatle, much easier project to take over, even with FFP BS.

When United did their original renovations in the early 90's to get in line with the Taylor report that was funded by the club floating on the Stock Exchange in 91. The dividends that the Glazers have been taking out could of gone on the renovating the stadium.

 

[Sensitive Christian Grey]

Tipping it down in West Brom. Wonder if anyone will benefit

 

[TobiOT]

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

He's actually doing Arsenal the favour by leaving.

Arsenal should go for Areola

 

[TobiOT]

 

[SCORCH]

There literally isn't a shred of truth to it because united fans have never been happy with the Glazers. Even when they were winning. This isnt the first anti Glazer protest during their ownership, The Super league brought it all to a head but in response to issues that has been there for well over a decade of their ownership. And yes, this is in the interest of man utd, what else would it be for?

Fair enough.

I just found it strange how some people were referring to the protest yesterday as 'against the Super League' when we know that really isn't the issue at play there for Man Utd supporters.

A bunch of people acting for selfish reasons, as long as they act together for their own individual selfish reasons, is very powerful. Your criticism overlooks that.

Imagine if all the fans of all the clubs in England did this. Then we would see the structural change to how fans and clubs partake in football together. We'd see fan ownership of clubs. That's the end game. The glazer out or Kroenke out stuff, it all helps to create a climate where the ultimate end game keeps growing in stature, even if they have totally selfish reasons for doing it, and even if they don't see or care about the end game.

When the Russian people rose up in 1917 they did so for the selfish reasons of wanting to not starve, of wanting vodka to drink and bread to eat, of wanting land and homes they could call their own, and of wanting Russian exit from the First World War. That's all they cared about. But those selfish interests of theirs coalesced into the communist revolution, because the pressure they created made it possible for Lenin and Trotsky to come in and play their end game over the top of the build-up the selfish common Russian had created. This football thing is the same. If we see simultaneous attacks on Glazer, Kroenke, Fenway, Levy and Lewis - we will soon enough see a result where fans have greater ownership over their club's heritage and tradition.

What does that look like in real terms? I'm not going to call fan ownership a pipe dream but it's not far off considering the money involved in football today.

 

[frush11]

When United did their original renovations in the early 90's to get in line with the Taylor report that was funded by the club floating on the Stock Exchange in 91. The dividends that the Glazers have been taking out could of gone on the renovating the stadium.

Dude let's keep it 100, this protest is truly about not a damn thing.

Get "mad" about things that they really don't understand, simply because you're told to.

Like United is somehow gonna go outta business.

 

[Premeditated]

I mean, breaking into the ground is criminal activity.

they're lucky all they get is their season ticket gone

 

[African_brehda]

BAAAALLLL

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Fan ownership won't work for the Big 6 clubs. Pretty pointless to bring that up for them or for the majority of the PL clubs tbh. Bu-bu-but the Germany 50+1 model? What about those clubs owned by corporations like RB and VW or is that different? That was implemented 23 years ago and the football business has drastically changed since then and even more so in the PL. Long and short the PL is too far gone down the line and with majority of these PL teams in debt in one way or another I don't see how the fans are going to get then out of that tbh. Especially when most of them cannot even feed their own kids.

 

[MikelArteta]

should have never let emiliano gp

 

[MikelArteta]

I mean, breaking into the ground is criminal activity.

they're lucky all they get is their season ticket gone

should have worn masks